Shotgun Recoil?

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Hello all. I'm considering a shotgun primarily for HD. Though I'm uncertain about purchasing a gun strictly for HD as I don't hunt or shoot skeet/trap. But that's a topic for another thread.

So, how is a 12 ga pump shotgun (maybe 20" barrel) recoil as compared to an SKS or a M44 Mosin-Nagant?
 
It really depends what kind of shell/ammo you use... its can go from a little harder then a .22mag to the harderst hitter out there simply due to the ammo choice.

What shells are you planning on using?


Jorgy
 
Lots of manufacturers make reduced recoil slugs and buckshot loads for tactical purposes. These are supposed to reduce felt recoil by a lot without sacrificing *much* lethality.

Alternatively, if recoil doesn't bother you, there are 1 oz or heavier slugs rounds that make it feel like your getting hit in the shoulder by Mike Tyson. It just depends on what your ammo selection is.
 
Gun needs to fit shooter.
Shooter must know correct basic fundamentals.

Learn on a bone stock shotgun.
Get a seasoned shooter that knows how to assist with gun fit, correct basics, and can assess and assist you while you actually shoot a variety of shotguns.

NEVER EVER start out with a Recoil Reducing Stock.

If one learns on a crutch, and that crutch is lost or destroyed, a person will fall down - hard.

I know of 90 pound folks that can a shoot 12 bore with regular buckshot, slugs, or shoot 100 rds of target ammo [4 rounds of skeet] and not have a problem doing so.

You could not pay me $50,000 to start a new person out with a recoil reducing stock.

I won't do it.
I have been asked to and walked off.
 
Spend the cash on a knoxx stock for the shotgun. Take away the recoil, and the shotgun is a much scarier beast.
 
Speer, with all due respect, no gadget stock will substitute for fit, form and technique.....
 
Sm- pardon my ignorance- but what is a recoil reducing stock? Other than a stock that reduces recoil. What is the disadvantage to such a stock? How does it work?
 
It looks like there's quite a variety of shells you can use, which is good. I'd probably use light-to moderate loads for "plinking" if you can "plink" with a shotgun, and some heavier stuff for HD. I just like the thought of having a shotgun on hand, just in case. I'm very much concerned about overpenetration issues with my SKS since I live in the suburbs.
 
i don't like recoil reducing stocks for the same reasons as SM.

how you hold a gun determines whether recoil is a shoulder wham, or a bone jarring wrench to the spine. cosmoline first taught me this, and it works - let your pectoral muscle absorb the recoil. don't try to pocket it. he has pictures of how to do it.

that said, a bone stock should NOT be used if it is straight up detrimental. for instance, my benelli m1 s90 was issued with a factory stock that had a blade edge where the cheek meets the stock. each round fired woulc kick the stock up into my cheekbone.

that was BAD stock. i replaced it with a contoured PG factory stock and all has been well since.
 
don.
I was going to reply to you via PM.
Feel free to PM me with questions.


I am going against my better judgment in replying publicly.

Recoil Reducing Stocks
have become a "generic term" referring to Plastic/Polymer configurations, often in black, or other tactical configs, and some resemble AR and other "rifle" stocks.

The term has changed context over the years with the increase of TackTickle being the newest and greatest marketing hype.

Recoil Reduction is not new.

Shotgunners that shoot competitively, shooting 10,000 to say 25,000 rds a year ( and more) for years and years , will over time, develop physical aversions to a shotgun being fired.

100,000, 200,000, 300,000, half a million rounds later, and more the human body , being designed to protect itself, through various mechanisms, does not want a person to slap a trigger.
Add the persons that have detached retinas, messed up necks, vertabra, backs and other physical "tolls" from just shooting a LOT of shotgun shells over a LOT of years.

Reverse Triggers assist some with flinching.
The body will protect itself by flinching , if a trigger is slapped [pulled back].
The body is "fooled" or "tricked" when a Release Trigger is installed.
One "pulls" this trigger setting it, the gun fires when this trigger system is released.
This bypasses the defensive mechanism of the human body to flinch.

Dead Mules and other devices are added to butt stocks.
Some are just weight, some have Mercury, which go "opposite" of how moved to lessen felt recoil.
Same principle in Mercury Boxes installed in Police Cars and Traveling Sales Reps cars to aid in Suspension when taking corners hard, or on twisty , windy roads. Mercury "shifts" to opposite side to stabilize.

A Regular Stock can be Professionally cut, and a Recoil System of various types that actually move upon firing of a shotgun, reduces the Recoil Curve therefore lessening recoil.
Custom wood stocks , some of really really nice wood, are also available.

When this is done, the gun fit is further tweaked, with not only LOP, also cast on, cast off, and pitch.

Looking at one of these, one will see the stock actually will "insert" into the other part of stock. Some even have the area where face goes (comb) move as well.

Many of the top shooters, even those with a half a million rounds fired do not have beads on custom guns.

The shooter's eyes are the "rear sight" if you will. Shotguns are pointed - not aimed.
Gun fit is the key.
If after so many years of high round counts the human body starts protecting itself, Reduce Recoil methods are employed.

These shooters learned how to shoot with guns that fit, with correct basic fundamentals, repeated thousands and thousands of times.
Many have hundreds of thousands of rounds fired, with a gun that fits, using correct basic fundamentals.

If I can see it - I can fell it - anon
How true! The shotgunner is one with a shotgun.
Every imaginable presentation can be shot!

Not just standing up either, real shotgunner are NOT programmed shooters.
They can shoot kneeling, squatting, on the move, prone, on their backs, shooting up and over their heads.

I am not kidding, I have seen 80 year old men and women Skeet and Trap Shooters on the ground and shoot moving targets. Shoot on the move, and other presentations.
Serious Use - yes there are cases where a shotgunner of what I speak has defended and stopped a threat using a bone stock shotgun, even a competition shotgun.

They are NOT restricted in how a shotgun can be used with the new recoil reducing design stocks.

The ability to quickly mount gun to face is so ingrained in real shotgunners, well...

Some folks own shotguns and have more pictures of their shotgun than round fired through them.

We have always had Reduced Recoil devices, just some don't know about the original context of the word, of them, and the real reasons why they come to be, and of the persons that use them.


Steve
 
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