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I am looking for a good quality sling for an AR. Right now I just am using a 1.25" black nylon web sling... not very fancy, but it keeps it on my shoulder.

I would like something that keeps the rifle a little closer to the ready position.

What is out there that works for you?
 
I have used three-point slings (Specter Gear), two-point slings (1.25" web nylon, 1907 leather, Vickers CAS) and single-point slings (Specter Gear MOUT).

It depends a lot on what you need to do with it; but if you want to carry a rifle in the "ready" position (slung in front of you wih easy access), then a single-point or VCAS sling is probably the way to go. The single point is better if you are transitioning the rifle from strong side to weak side (either to shoot around barriers, change your field of fire, or control the muzzle during a transition to pistol). If you are OK with just letting go of the rifle during transitions to a sidearm and need only limited weak side use, then the VCAS offers all of the single-point advantages for strong-side use, can be used as a hasty sling and is more stable for carry. However, once you go weakside with the VCAS it is less flexible.

Check out Zak Smith's website. He has an excellent article on slings and the tradeoffs involved. You may also wish to consider using your current sling and practicing African carry. You can deploy a rifle fairly quickly using that method and you can still use the sling as hasty support with two-point slings.
 
Bartholomew, I am not familiar with one point slings, other than having seen photos of them. Are you able to use a one-point sling to steady your hold, like you can with a two point?

Also, what is african carry?
 
Both rifles are set up with 2 point slings in the style my Son's Brigade are currently using. The Spec-Ops Mamba set for a 2 point. The reason is that a 3 point puts a strap right on top of the safety and the bolt release. The sling gets in the way of clean operating. The 2 point allows a slung carryage, but it will stay close to you in the ready-fire position.

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This is my Son's M4 (on active duty in Iraq). He has added the sand colored Mamba, along with a CAA fore arm and grip, and a Surefire Tactical light and vert fore grip.

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I also have a 20" A2 set up for conventional sling and set up for a single point sling. The single point keeps the weapon attached to you, but it offers no assistance in sighting and firing. Letting go of the weapon will allow it to swing around, so you learn to controll your long arm with your weak hand and draw and fire your back up side arm with your strong hand.

I prefer the 2 point set up. YMMV.
 
I'm very happy with the Summit Sling, offered by Rocky Mountain Tactical. It features dual configuration (single-point & 2-point). Check the web site for pics & a full description/other options. I installed an ambi sling mounting plate at the front of the buttstock/rear of the receiver & use snap-on sling adapter clips on my carbine, which allows me to carry either way, as conditions dictate. The loop sling adapters that came with the Summit are on my AR15 Varminter, which I only carry 2-point due to the combined stock & barrel length. Works for me & they are good folks with whom to deal.

https://www.rockymountaintactical.net/
 
I've used all 3 too. I like the single point for my AR. I think the light weight is a factor, as I don't like it on my AK. 3 point is OK. It's like a 2 point, and single point sort of. Usually they have some sort of quick release that allows you to switch shoulders, like a single point. The big draw back to this is the strap running along side the rifle. I shoot lefty, and have had brass bounce back in the chamber causing a stove pipe. It can also interfere with controls. The 2 point carrys the heavier AK well, and doesn't interfere with controls, or brass. The one I'm using is actually a 3 point, but I set it up as a 2. It has the quick release, and I'm able to get more slack for the transition.

Here's a tip for those using single points when transitioning to pistol. Roll the rifle so that is is trapped in between your belly, and the sling. This helps keep it from hitting the boys. It also keeps it stable.
 
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Are you able to use a one-point sling to steady your hold, like you can with a two point?

No, a single-point sling is a carrying strap and nothing more. Usually it is attached to the rear of the received on an AR15 (which often means you have to buy a sling mount and dismantle the stock to add it to the rifle). It is great for very dynamic environments where you are switching sides often but may still need to let go of the rifle suddenly; however, because it has only one attachment point the rifle can swing and pendulum during movement. Another common thing I see new shooters do with single points is bend over to pick something up off the deck and drive their muzzle into the ground. Basically it is just a single loop of nylon that goes around your body and through the single sling mount at the back of the lower receiver. Some single-points attach to the end of the stock as well; but I don't use them as it tends to make the barrel-in-the-ground problem worse by hanging the rifle even lower.

Here is pic of me standing around during the recent Intermediate Carbine class at Tac-Pro Shooting Center. It demonstrates how the rifle hangs on a single-point sling quite nicely:

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Also, what is african carry?

African carry is simply carrying the rifle over your shoulder like a traditional sling; but with the muzzle pointed down. You keep your hand near the forearm when walking and grasp the forearm and pull forward to present it. There are a couple of benefits to it - you can push the rifle forearm back and step your opposite foot forward and conceal the rifle with your body from someone coming at 12 o'clock. You can also present the rifle quite quickly; yet still use the sling for hasty support just by grasping the forearm and pulling forward on it. It also works quite well with the sling you already have.

The major downside to it is you can't use it in an environment where you have to make a sudden transition that frees both hands. It takes more time to sling the rifle back up and if you are using both hands, the rifle tends to want to slip off your shoulder. So it is fine for walking around the land; but not so great for more active movement. The range I shoot on is big on controlling the rifle muzzle at all times, so I typically do transitions to a sidearm with one hand any way and just tuck the rifle under my weak elbow - this kind of pistol transition works just fine with a normal two-point sling.

The compromise between a single-point sling and a normal USGI two-point sling are slings like the Viking Tactical and VCAS.

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I've got this one attached to the end of the rear receiver and the receiver end of the float tube; but you can attach them anywhere on the rifle there is a sling mount. These hold the rifle in front of you in a ready position. You can also go two hands free and the rifle muzzle just points down and to your weak side. If you drop the weakside arm out of the sling, you can also shoot the rifle from your weakside for movement and barriers; but it drags the excess sling material across your neck and isn't exactly comfortable or as easily managed as a single point. If you drop the rifle from the weakside position, it is basically a single-point sling looped around your neck.

The other issue I have with this sling is that when you release the rifle for a transition to sidearm, it points down and to your weakside. In many of the classes I have taken, where we are all in line together, that means the muzzle is bouncing around and intermittently covering the guy to my left as we move. On ranges where they want positive control of the muzzle during sidearm transitions, it is difficult and slow to do it with this sling.

If you need the maximum amount of flexibility, a single point is the way to go. For example, here is a drill we did in a recent Intermediate Carbine class where we would move and engage a target to our weakside while walking parallel to the target. When we reached the end of the range, we would turn around and walk back the other direction - this means you have to switch the rifle to your weakside at some point. I was really humbled by this exercise because I hadn't spent a lot of time shooting my rifle from my left side and what time I had spent was all stationary. As a result, I didn't have a good cheekweld in muscle memory and with the rifle bouncing around from movement I would constantly lose my sight picture through the ACOG (a red dot would have been GREAT here). You can see a bit of the awkwardness in my stance as a result; but with the single-point sling I can make the transition easily and the rifle is still supported.

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Using a standard two-point sling, I would have to let the sling dangle to do this. Using a VCAS two-point, I would have to drop my left arm out of the sling loop to do it and the excess sling material would be pressing against my throat as I went to the weakside. (Pictures courtesy of Tac-Pro Shooting Center. )

On the other hand, the VCAS does everything the single-point sling does with the exception of the few issues I mentioned, and it provides better stability and can be used for support as well. If I am not shooting with a bunch of other people around or doing a lot of weakside shooting, I actually prefer the VCAS.
 
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Thanks for the positive words fellas!

It helps to know what the different types of slings do for the shooter and what your specific needs are.

The problem with many slings is that they may be very good at what they were designed for, but they don't do everything... Many folks buy one sling and are stuck with that one sling and dealing with the one way it functions. Sometimes, people will spend much more and buy two different slings that are not compatible and have to keep track of and switch out the two different slings for different jobs.

We developed slings that work extremely well with unmatched versatility because that's what people were looking for, and there's nothing on the market quite like them. High quality slings that adapt to fit your needs instead of forcing you to adapt to the needs of the sling...
 
I use a black nylon "Super Sling" that you can get at any sporting goods store. Its nothing special, but it feels more sturdy than the cheap-feeling sling that Bushmaster includes with their guns.
 
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