Sig P220 Serrated front strap?

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Hey, Sig experts, when did Sig start putting serrations on the front strap of the P220?

I saw an add in the latest American Rifleman for the P220 and it had serrations on the front strap. I hadn't seen those in the past, though I'll admit to not being much of a Sig follower.
 
I thought so too, but this looks like a baseline P220, but as I said earlier, I'm no Sig expert.

The add is on page 9 of the January American Rifleman.
 
I hadn't seen that before. I have a 220 with a plain front strap and a 220ST with a checkered patch.

A quick look in AH shows a similar pattern to my old folded slide 226, but this does look about the same size as the checkering pattern on my ST...so maybe it's half of that checkering pattern.
 
9mmepiphany wrote,
I hadn't seen that before.
Now that wasn't what I was expecting to hear. I was expecting, "Oh, ya, they added that in 20XX (or 19XX) to the whole line-up."

I like front strap serrations. I think it will be a nice improvement if they now offer it.
 
JTQ said:
when did Sig start putting serrations on the front strap of the P220?

I bought a pair of P220s this year, a Combat and a Carry, and both have serrations on the front strap. My other three P220s have smooth front straps with the newest one made in 2004. So how about sometime between 2005 and 2010 ... not much help I know. Interestingly, the P225 has had front strap serrations for many years. My two P225s were made in '91 and '92 and both have front strap serrations.
 
Correction I thought the OP was referring to front slide serrations not the serrations on the front of the grip frame.
 
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rellascout said:
Here is my take on it. The front strap serrations showed up when Cohen showed up. They were part of the updated "bling" added to the P series guns. They were on the elites & carries with the beavertail and rails.

So Cohen was working for SIG in 1991 and 1992? :confused:
 
So Cohen was working for SIG in 1991 and 1992?

Corrected my post. I thought the OP was talking about front cocking serrations. The front strap grip serrations IIRC show up around the time the slides went to stainless steel like the P220ST. My P225 has them too. I believe they always have but the P220s with folded stamped slides did not.

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Checking my P220 Dated KE does not have them....
 
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rellascout said:
As far as the P225 I personally have never seen a P225 with them. I am not doubting you own one but I have never seen them.

Do I really have to break out the camera and take a couple of photos for you. Both of my P225s have front strap serrations and they were put there in Germany LONG before Cohen moved to SIG.
 
rellascout said:
Every P225 I have seen looks like this. Are you sure yours came from the factory with them?

Are we talking front strap or front of the trigger guard? The P225 in your photo clearly has them on the front strap. I was under the impression that the front strap is the front of the grip, not the trigger guard.
 
Are we talking front strap or front of the trigger guard? The P225 in your photo clearly has them on the front strap. I was under the impression that the front strap is the front of the grip, not the trigger guard._______

Look up already correct the post..... :eek:

Sigfan boys crack me up.... LOL As I stated by KE 1994 date P220 does not have them.

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rellascout said:
I thought the OP was talking about front cocking serrations.

Oh ... ok ... I've never seen front cocking serrations on a P220 slide as far as I can remember ... none of mine have that feature. I have them on a Kimber 1911 though.
 
Oh ... ok ... I've never seen front cocking serrations on a P220 slide as far as I can remember ... none of mine have that feature. I have them on a Kimber 1911 though.

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Not to derail the thread but this was the type of embellishment Cohen has brought to Sig. The Elite sports both.

I have no definite date for the serrations on the P220 front strap. I have never owned on with them.
 
Just to complicate things further, my P220 Combat has checkering on the front strap, the P220 Carry has vertical serrations on the front strap (same as both P225s), and my P239 has horizontal serrations on the front strap.

rellascout said:
Sigfan boys crack me up.... LOL

That's pretty lame right there and completely unnecessary. You made an incorrect assumption, but rather than correct it and move on, you then have to insult me for providing accurate information. We all get that you have a major issue with SIG and that you voice those concerns at every opportunity, which you're free to do, but why resort to juvenile comments?
 
That's pretty lame right there and completely unnecessary. You made an incorrect assumption, but rather than correct it and move on, you then have to insult me for providing accurate information. We all get that you have a major issue with SIG and that you voice those concerns at every opportunity, which you're free to do, but why resort to juvenile comments?

I corrected my comments before you could even post. Check the time stamp. I understand that you take all things Sig personally. Others do not. I have issue with the current production at Sig and those who gloss over it with excuses. YMMV and you are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine.

Also I am not sure you understood the comment. Read it again....

Sigfan boys crack me up.... LOL

I guess you have no sense of humor. It was a joke. Don't like what I am post don't read it. No one is forcing you to read what I write or engage me in any way shape or form. How about we agree to ignore each other. :cool:
 
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1858 wrote,
I bought a pair of P220s this year, a Combat and a Carry, and both have serrations on the front strap.
Thanks. Fairly recently then, but they do have it. I was wondering if it was a "photoshop" trick for the add or possibly just on special models.
 
JTQ said:
Thanks. Fairly recently then, but they do have it. I was wondering if it was a "photoshop" trick for the add or possibly just on special models.

You can see from this photo that the P239 (top) has horizontal serrations on the front strap. The Carry (middle) has vertical serrations on the front strap and horizontal serrations on the trigger guard. The Combat (bottom) has checkering on the front strap and trigger guard. All three were bought new this year.

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JTQ said:
Now that wasn't what I was expecting to hear. I was expecting, "Oh, ya, they added that in 20XX (or 19XX) to the whole line-up."

I like to hold back some surprises :p

I'm actually really bad with dates, I know which order things SIG happened only because I was around when they were introduced, I worked for a Sig LE department and I used to teach with a member of the Sig Shooting Team

Each model is a rule unto itself in many things, front strap and trigger guard treatment is one of those areas. The 226 started with vertical serrations and changed over to horizontal serrations...which is odd as they actually give you less purchase to resist twisting of the gun in your hand, but went well with the horizontal serrations and hooked trigger guard.

The alloy framed 220s always had plain front straps until checkering was applied to first the Sport models, then the ST and Elite models. I have usually seen the Combat and Carry models with the vertical serrations...which are harder to do than the horizontal ones due to the curve of the frame at the top and bottom.

I like the vertical serrations better than the panel of checkering they have offered for the grip they give. I like the plain front strap better for the options it offers (grip tape, Wilson checkered panel or aftermarket custom texture)
 
Thanks for the help. I've always been impressed by your Sig knowledge, I still am.

I have serrations on a couple of pistols (not Sig) and generally prefer it to smooth or checkering.
 
Thank you...What good is knowing something if your not willing to share it

I have serrations on my S&W 1911Sc too and prefer them checkering also. Checkering dents very easily...especially in alloy
 
9mmepiphany said:
The 226 started with vertical serrations and changed over to horizontal serrations...which is odd as they actually give you less purchase to resist twisting of the gun in your hand, but went well with the horizontal serrations and hooked trigger guard.

I'll go one step further and say that horizontal serrations are next to useless on the front strap, for my anyway. My preference in order is checkered, vertical serrations, horizontal serrations, no serrations. One of the reasons why I didn't buy a Springfield MC Operator last week (and I had a choice of NIB or very lightly used) was the lack of front strap checkering. I'm going to buy the TRP stainless steel or TRP Armory Kote, both of which come with an integral cheese grater on the front strap!!
 
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