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SiG P239 Price In Maryland - Not For The Faint Hearted

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Newton

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So it was that after penetrating the perimiter security at my local Frederick gun show in Maryland this weekend (guard towers, dog patrols, land mines), I actually got to see some guns.

It was a lot like an old militaria show as opposed to your actual, genuine gun show, I overheard one old guy comment "nothing but damned knives and old military crap", well you can't have too many Klingon Batliths and deactivated mortar shells around the house says I, but I digress.

There was a not entirely surprising lack of new handguns, there were a few H&Ks, fewer Berettas, a handful of Glocks, and lots and lots or rusty old .38 Special revolvers, which is funny in a strange sort of way, I mean, just why has Maryland cornered the market in 4 inch blued .38 specials from the 1960s, and moreover, why do they cost $300 ?

So it was that I spied some new SiGs, there was that SiGPro SP2340 that just plain calls to me as a great sidearm, price $550, hmmm that's a tad steep, so I browse on when I see the feminine form of a box standard P239 in .40S&W (I really only want the 9mm but I look anyway), the tag dangles there in front of me, I look at it, it looks at me, and there we stand, frozen in time, staring at the numbers 7-6-9 and then the letters S-A-L-E-P-R-I-C-E, that's right $769 plus tax on SALE. I pass it back as if it were made of Kryptonite, which for that price it very well could have been.

So it was that I realized my handgun buying days are over for the duration of my sentence in this state.

Moral of the story - if you have to move here, stock up on your wish list before you move, because its going to be a long hard Winter.
 
Wow, $769.

I just held one the other day as I am considering a .40 compact. The price was $499.
 
Hah ha, Massachusetts, that you guys rank on all the time?

$459 at Four Seasons on special sale.
 
Geez man I will sell you mine for say 680:neener:

Actually I love mine and wouldn't sell it for anything. I have a two toned .40 that I paid just over $550 out the door.

Chris
 
Dang...

Honestly, Im not too surprised. The handgun prices are jumping to extreme heights due to the safety lock laws. It's really starting to get crazy.

Almost makes the $599 price tag for a 239 I saw last Christmas seem reasonable. Almost...
 
I paid $700.90 out the door for a 9mm P239 last December in Maryland.

I thought that was high

BTW: That Sig Pro price was pretty good for what I've seen around MD. I've seen used 2340's for $645.

Most NIB Sig's are around $1000 here in MD, but I did just buy a "Factory Rebuilt" P220 (that could pass for NIB) for $750
 
Yes, I was at the Frederick gun show also and found prices high as well. I saw a cz-75 for $459. I thought that was high. And there were no bargains on ammo either. But what I also noticed was that the new law requiring internal trigger locks on all new guns is beginning to bite. Guns without these locks are now truly becoming scarce. I think I saw only one Kimber. It's very sad to live in a state that puts such severe restrictions on what guns you can buy. I sypathize with Cali residents as well.
 
That "sale" price was probably from....uh......White Marsh Arms?

They're at every show, and their prices are through the roof.

Back in March I bought a Bersa 380 for $214 from another store.

WMA wanted $299
 
Maryland is indeed screwed, but hey, we only have ourselves to blame.

I'm just thankful I have my $199 FEG Hi Power with hi caps, my unissued Bulgie Mak for $130, and my "illegal for sale in Maryland" Keltec P-32 and P-3AT.

God this state sucks like a nuclear powered vacuum cleaner, why don't they just outlaw everything right down to a BB gun, then they could just get on with blaming Pennsylvania and Virginia for all the gun crime in Baltimore, just like they ultimately will.
 
I really feel sorry for those of you in Maryland, New Jersey, Assachussetts and the PRK. You pay way more than you should be forced to for what you're actually "allowed" to buy, and that list is far shorter than it has any right to be.

Then again, I'm in Michigan, and handguns aren't exactly cheap here either. My last two purchase were internet ones to my local FFL. When I couldn't find a 239 for less than $560 here, I bought one nib from Texas for $400. I paid $15 to my FFL, no sales tax, and saved a cool $175 (by the time you take in to account the sales tax savings).

I have a new philosophy though, after purchasing 9 handguns. Rifles are far better values. Bushies and VEPRs and FALs, oh my!!! :cool:
 
slh02
"Honestly, Im not too surprised. The handgun prices are jumping to extreme heights due to the safety lock laws. It's really starting to get crazy."

Safety lock laws? Is this something specific to Maryland or could there be something less than desirable on a any SIG 239 if I order one new today?
Does this mean I should be looking for an earlier production one?
 
"why don't they just outlaw everything right down to a BB gun"

Actually, I believe that ealier this year, Baltimore City was trying to outlaw paintball guns.

Maryland just needs to keep the new Governor (Bob Ehrlich) in office. He's the first Republican Governor in 36 years . . .

Joe Mamma
 
aeroscout;

SIGS are fine (no, great!). No internal locks on them. MD law took effect in January requiring all new hanguns sold in the state, manufactured after 1/1/2003, to have internal locks. That leaves a limited number of choices for new guns - S&W (can't do it, but I do have pre-agreement revelvers), Springfield (lock is in the mainspring housing on the 1911's - just replace the housing) and Taurus. There may be a handful of others that I'm not aware of.

BTW I paid $800 for a 229 in .40 last December.
 
My last two purchase were internet ones to my local FFL.
MD took care of internet purchases a few years ago. We require all new guns sold in MD to have a factory fired shell casing (it used to be that the store could send the gun to a MD State Police lab to fire it for the shell casing but they did away with that "loophole" about a year and a half ago). Only NY has a similar law. Thus, many makers do not ship all their guns with the casings, some don't do it with any of their guns. Most do test fire them and ship them with the casings, but the casings are often only sent to distributors that do business in MD or NY. It may also be possible that dealers or distributors just throw the envelope away. Anyway, I've come across several otherwise MD legal guns (on "the list", and they either were made prior to January 1, 2003 or had the built-in lock) that I couldn't buy online because the seller told me that there were no shell casings. Pretty much the only way for us to buy guns online (unless we are really lucky) is to buy used.

Safety lock laws? Is this something specific to Maryland or could there be something less than desirable on a any SIG 239 if I order one new today?
As MikeK said, there was a new law that took effect this year that all new handguns sold in MD must have a built-in trigger lock if the gun was made after January 1, 2003. Only a few makes have them across their line (Taurus, HK, Bersa), a few on certain models (S&W revolvers, Walther P22, Springfield on the 1911s only, Cimmaron) and one are two have approved locks but they don't yet ship with them (Glock, some S&W autos with the Saf-T-Lock or whatever they call the little "screw" type lock that blocks the trigger). As a result of this law "pre-lock" guns are getting scarce and very expensive. Even the guns with the locks are going up- supply and demand. There is still a demand for new guns, but only a few makes/models are there to satisfy the demand. Used gun prices are way up too for obvious reasons, for some models as much or more than we could have bought the gun new one or two years ago- some people may want a specific model that is now only available used, others don't want one with the lock.
 
As a side note it looks like some distributors are swapping out the mainsprings on Colts and Kimbers for the Springfield one. Not really good for other people who don't like 1911s though.
 
Hah ha, Massachusetts, that you guys rank on all the time?

$459 at Four Seasons on special sale.

Wow, that's a pretty good price. You should ask your local police for permission to buy it, and jump on it.

Scott
 
Hah ha, Massachusetts, that you guys rank on all the time?

$459 at Four Seasons on special sale.
I checked out the web site and their price right now seems to be $549 cash and $10 more if you use credit card. Please tell me I'm wrong and you're right. I was going to go there Saturday and buy one. I'm also looking at the SigPro $549, Berretta 9000s $369, WaltherP99$549, and the S+W99 for $479. Which one would you people suggest I buy ?? Thanks for any help you can send my way.

Greg
 
Well this really deserves a thread of it's own, but here's my 2c.

First you need to decide what you want it for. If concealed carry is on that list, none of your choices are very good. I have a Beretta 9000s in .40 and that is one fat little sucker, but hey, ultimately you can carry anything with the right rig. My Beretta found its way into my range bag because the price was right and because it has some eye catching styling.

As I mentioned earlier, I think the SigPro in either .40 or .357 Sig is a great gun, it is very underrated. It is really a weapon best suited to external or duty carry, but it would be my choice from your list as a general "do it all" gun.

The Walther P99 is a nice gun in 9mm, but I find it a little snappy in .40 which doesn't lead to good shooting. The German made ones are superb, and each one is tested at the Ulm proofing house to 150% of SAAMI standard pressure, over-engineered guns are a big favorite of mine. If we get our hi caps back, a 9mm P99 would be on my list. The S&W 99 is essentially a US made P99, which you probably knew anyway, and the latest .45ACP version has been getting good reviews, the earlier 9mm/.40's less so, it's not a bad gun, but for a little more money you can get a lot more gun.

Ultimately, find the gun on your list that best fits your hand. The SiG has a blocky grip, and is not good for small hands, the Walther's ergonomics are superb, the Beretta has a very chunky grip that suits few people.

If I had to make a call, I would suggest you take a good look at the P99 in 9mm, see if your store has the new trigger (QA - Quick Action I think ?) and compare it to a traditional DA/SA set up to see which suits you better.

Good luck.
 
Thanks Newton

The S&W 99 is essentially a US made P99, which you probably knew anyway, and the latest .45ACP version has been getting good reviews, the earlier 9mm/.40's less so, it's not a bad gun, but for a little more money you can get a lot more gun.
After reading this I was wondering if you had any suggestions for alot more gun for a little more money?? I was only looking at .40 because that's what my wife shoots and I'd like to reload for both of us. Also it has to be Ma. compliant. I already have a 9mm{P89} but its not Ma. legal. I want something that's very accurate that I can carry on rare occasions. I did'nt expect to hear what you said about the P239M. I'll be alot more careful when I look at it Saturday. I'm a big guy so the Sigpro,239, and SW99 will still be in the running. Thanks for your advice. Greg
 
Greg,

I didn't mention the P239 in my round up, but since you mention it, I personally think it's the best all round 9mm on the market. You mention that occasional carry is on your list, and that you really want a .40, so a P239 in .40 would be a great choice.

As for a lot more gun for a little more money, the P239, SiGPro, and P99 would all fall into that category over the SW99.

It's funny that, with the exception of the S&W, the above short list would probably be my own top rated guns, with the possible addition of the mini Kel Tecs and the Browning HP.

Let us know which one you go with.
 
Bought One !!!

Finally got my Ma. compliant autoloader. Bought a factory refurb Glock Model 23. Of the ones I was looking at it came down to the P239M and the SigPro. My wife mentioned she had a Glock and he reached in the cabinet and pulled one of these out. I like because it was pre-ban it did'nt have all the safetys and it had the high capacity magazine. Of the other people in the store that overheard my questions all said the Glock was as reliable and straight shooting as my other choices. Although it does have fixed sights I can afford to add adjustable down the road if needed. I was really sold on the light weight . My wife and I canoe,camp,hike alot and I wanted something that wasn't so heavy or bulky that I'd leave it home. I hear a gun can't help defend you if you leave it home in the safe. I also bought 1000 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 165 and 180 ammo. When I got home I was reading The HighRoad and found out this stuff has been recalled. It was clearly posted at the gun shop "No Returns" on guns and ammo. Wish I'd read the post on the recalls before I bought it. Maybe that was a message from a higher power that I need a Dillon 550 or 650 alot more than I realized. Any input on any of this... feel free to comment. Thanks !! Greg
 
Head on over to www.sigforum.com and scroll down to the ammunition forum if you'd like to read about those reclassed Gold Dots. I think the thread is still there on the first page.
 
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