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https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-springfield-hellcat-micro-compact
Wow .. Basically even steven .,
Wow .. Basically even steven .,
Size comparison Hellcat vs P365
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Jeb Stuart
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I think the kicker will be where Springfield appears to have considered larger hands with the placement of the offhand to prevent riding the slide.
Thanks for the Post. I just looked this up last night on handgun hero and they did not have the Springfield yet. Also need to look at both sides of each pistol does the Springfield have a bulky take down lever or more slim lined?
I already like the dimple for placement.
It would be interesting to shoot both side by side.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-springfield-hellcat-micro-compact
Thanks for the Post. I just looked this up last night on handgun hero and they did not have the Springfield yet. Also need to look at both sides of each pistol does the Springfield have a bulky take down lever or more slim lined?
I already like the dimple for placement.
It would be interesting to shoot both side by side.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-springfield-hellcat-micro-compact
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Buckeye63
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I really thought Ruger would be the first to answer the P365 ...
From my own personal experience with the HS/XD series has been great ..
Im going to wait and see if the Hellcat has any growing pains .. and then pick one up ... My 43 is running great .. so Im in no hurry
From my own personal experience with the HS/XD series has been great ..
Im going to wait and see if the Hellcat has any growing pains .. and then pick one up ... My 43 is running great .. so Im in no hurry
In the few videos I have seen, the Hellcat (terrible name) experiences the same tendency as the P365 which is the slide not always locking back on the last shot fired. With these small guns, it is very difficult to eliminate the effect of the shooter's grip not engaging the slide catch during firing. This is a non issue for me but if you want to eliminate this you better learn to change the position of your shooting hand thumb.
BTW, the new Sig P365 SAS version has probably a solution.
BTW, the new Sig P365 SAS version has probably a solution.
Jeb Stuart
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Personally I think any gun that is vulnerable to riding the slide is a poor design. And hand size should not be a factor. I own two other Micro 9mm's and not even close to riding the slide nor my 380's. I don't see the Springfield being a problem. But I have not tested the gun yet. If there is, I am sure we will hear about it soon.
needmorecowbell
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Don’t like the name, but everything else I’m digging about this gun. Shoulda named it the XD-C or something like that, but hey, I could overlook the grip zone so a bad name should be easy
Jeb Stuart
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Springfield HC11 aka "The Hellcat"
Mine has never failed to lock back with full power ammo, and only a couple of times shooting lower powered ammo one handed. It's a non issue for me.
Fine Figure of a Man
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My P365 has never failed to lock back.
Springfield Armory has attempted to undermine the 2A.
Springfield Armory has attempted to undermine the 2A.
Plan2Live
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First - The grip on either the 365 or the Hellcat (without the extended magazine) are too short for my taste as anything but a backup gun.
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Second -
I've never understood why this is a big deal. When I am shooting a pistol following the +1 shooting method (fire, recoil, reacquire a sight picture) I can't tell if the slide is locked back or not. So I either count my shots, drop magazine and reload or I shoot until I hear click then drop magazine and reload. I don't use the slide STOP as a slide release so the slide locking back is a non issue for me.
I don't see it as a major issue...unless it is suppose to. Then the lack of that bothers me.
I could see where the slide locking back does two things: it makes it very obvious that you are out of ammo. While striker fire guns are pretty obvious when they have run dry due to a no cocked trigger, hammer fired guns may give you a couple of very dangerous clicks if you still think you are in the fight.
Locking back also gives you a faster reload. Even if you sling shot the slide instead of using the stop, you are only working against the tension against the stop and not having to compress the spring fully.
Little things I know.
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Got rid of the P938, so this Hellcat may be my backup to the P365 should it go out of service...but I will wait to see what the early adopters say about it over the few months after it is in circulation.
The slide failing to lock back is a grip issue.
One can't grip these tiny little pistols like they do a full size pistol.
I've got larger hand and have to watch my support hand thumb as I will ride the slide on a full sized pistol.
One can't grip these tiny little pistols like they do a full size pistol.
I've got larger hand and have to watch my support hand thumb as I will ride the slide on a full sized pistol.
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I assume that you are referring to the 365. Because there are many small Micro 9mm and even Pocket guns that do accommodate large hands as far as not riding the slide. I have a size large hand, could not shoot the 365 without riding the slide, but shoot other small guns just fine. But, I do agree, I do not thing the gun is not performing well. It is user error.
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I for one is not interested at all in high round count in a Micro Pistol. Not sure that every person buying one these days are. A lot of hype going on now. And both guns seem to be designed around a magazine. I shot the 365 with quite a few rounds. Nice gun, but nothing spectacular in the shooting characteristic IMO. I would prefer that Manufactures focus more on quality. Ruger would be smart to do just that.
Agreed. My Shield is 8 rounds and I am happy with that. But you know how marketers works - their job is not to sell us something we need, but convince us we need something they sell. I resist as much as possible, but,unfortunately, occasionally fall prey. I am mortal, after all . . .
I like my 365, but welcome a new competitor. I bought the Sig to fill the role of a small compact IWB carry gun that was roughly the same size as my G43 or Ruger LC9s. It fills that role nicely and holds 10 rounds even with the standard mags vs only 6 or 7 for the other 2. With the 12 round mags the size starts getting a little big for CC IWB, but I shoot it well enough that it has largely replaced my 15 round G19 for OWB carry. And they make 15 round mags for the Sig.
I like the option of having a 1911 style safety and the one on the 365 is well designed. Not an issue with some guys and you don't have to use it if you don't like it and they offer it with or without safety.
If the SA pistol is as good and sells at a better price then it may be a good option for some. But I only paid $450 for my Sig. Considering they come with nite sights I don't think that is bad.
I like the option of having a 1911 style safety and the one on the 365 is well designed. Not an issue with some guys and you don't have to use it if you don't like it and they offer it with or without safety.
If the SA pistol is as good and sells at a better price then it may be a good option for some. But I only paid $450 for my Sig. Considering they come with nite sights I don't think that is bad.
beeenbag
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I'm sure glad a lot of nay sayers on here aren't in charge of R&D for the firearms industry, everyone would still be limited to J frames and 1911's.
Fine Figure of a Man
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What is the bad part of a high round capacity in a small pistol?
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And I am happy with my 365s, no issues with either of them, and having 12+1 in something the size of a Kahr CM9 is nice.
1. If this pistol works out of the box and there aren’t problems with it the way there was with the Sig 365 I’ll buy one.
I personally really dislike when you spend good money and something doesn’t work straight out of the box.
I’d like something in between the size of the Glock 23.4 and the CZ P10C 9mil and the Walther PPS M1 9mm I normally carry that has 12 rds.
2. Springfield Armory (and RRA) did not undermine the Second Amendment. They hired/helped create a lobbying firm to represent their interests and one main individual made a bad call at the last minute after some back room wheeling and dealing.
SA and RRA fired the main individual responsible and immediately went to work severing their ties with the IFMA and it was finalized a few days later.
Unfortunately once a lot of gun owners are angry about something and they make up their mind they go “LA LA LA LA LA LA” and put their hands over their ears to any new information.
The gun writers reporting on the situation even reversed themselves 9 hours and 10 mins later after they found out what happened and fired the main responsible party.
Bearing Arms : SA and RRA sell out Illinois FFL’s - Posted at 10:42 am on May 01, 2017
https://bearingarms.com/david-l/201...y-and-rock-river-arms-sell-out-illinois-ffls/
Put Away The Pitchforks: Springfield Armory & Rock River Arms Did NOT Sell Out Gun Owners - Posted at 7:52 pm on May 01, 2017
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/...k-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/
Rob Pincus on the Springfield Armory controversy
So buy their guns and gear or don’t, but that’s what happened. :Shrug
Fine Figure of a Man
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The IFMA consisted of four people, a couple from SA, one from RRA and their lobbyist. They sided with anti 2A politicians in an attempted to eliminate competitors. Of course when it came to the surface both denounced the IFMA's actions as if it were some big separate entity that they had no control over and limited knowledge of. I guess it worked to some extent.
Jeb Stuart
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I would just take a guess, that R&D has contributed much to 1911's and J Frames over the years in quality and performance and not necessarily just more round count. And I would not classify anyone as a Naysayer, simply because they have no interest or desires in a few more rounds than the fast majority of small guns out there. I personally happy for the folks that want to buy or own a gun because it can carry a couple more rounds. That is good. Variety is the spice of life.
But hight capacity is not the main criteria I look for in a firearm in fact, there are many. Live and Let Live. And God Bless America for giving us so many choices.
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