Someone gets it

[SharpDog]

Tony Perkins: Solution to gun violence isn't what you think, says former police officer:

While policies may have an impact on this issue, unfortunately the debate never gets beyond the stalemate over "gun control." Though an ardent supporter of the Second Amendment, I am willing to talk about laws regarding the ownership and use of guns by those who should not have them. But the missing component to this discussion playing on an endless political loop is the impact of the moral vacuum created by eliminating values, faith and civility from the public square.

Restricting the implements of violence while ignoring the causes is futile. Our nation's capital, with some of the most restrictive gun-ownership laws in the country, clearly illustrates this point. Washington has a gun murder rate of 18 per 100,000, and the city's gun-control laws did not protect our organization. Nationwide, as many as 80 percent of gun-related crime involves illegal guns.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ton...ence-not-what-you-think-former-police-officer

 

[DocRock]

Nice article, and someone making sense is a rare treat. But the drivers of "gun control" are not looking for a solution to gun violence. Far from it. They are looking to exploit gun crime to change public perceptions about the need and scope for "gun control" so that they can find ways around that pesky Second Amendment. And their target audience of suburban mothers and urban/suburban young are not interested in any "solution" that does not involve severe restrictions on "scary guns".

 

[lionking]

Of course he is right. A gun or any weapon is just a means to a end, gun control treats the symptom not the cause. You will never get a established pro gun control person to realize or admit that though. They will say " well something needs to be done"

There are many reasons people have a opinion as to why we have so much lack or respect for life and violence in the U.S.A (around the world to). Some blame lack of religion, some blame it ON religion, or video games or single parenting, or "gun culture" as they put it or whatever, I won't blame it on any of that it is just speculation

I won't really blame it on social media or internet either BUT there is a element to that. We are wired to the net, we get news reports of the worst of humanity minutes after it happens, 24/7/365. We have social media were people judge their life by others only seeing the greatest or worst of others. We have internet that has opened people with toxic and hateful personalities and thought access to spreading their toxicity globally at the stroke of the keyboard, which affects lonely and otherwise impressionable people.

The maniac in New Zealand, it wasn't enough to murder, he had to video record it also knowing it go around the net influencing people. Anybody can be a "star" now on the internet. That's not bad, the internet and media isn't bad, just bad when it is a dark evil person that gets notorious from it.

We have internet and blogs and news media that allows comments by users or readers to say things they never would say to a person face to face because they are anonymous at a keyboard. So yes civility goes out the window too often.

I don't support limits on speech or on the internet generally just like I don't support gun restrictions generally, but to ask what is the cause not just the symptom , I think that has some to do with it.

BUT government can't teach respect for oneself and to others or love of life or civility , those are things society needs to change upon itself, so they go for gun control and regulations on other freedoms instead.

 

[BigBore44]

When the front runners of the Democratic ticket for president say they want to confiscate all semiautomatic firearms, I believe them. It’s not about anyone’s or anything’s safety except theirs. But people need to unplug from this crap. They’re bombarded everyday with negativity. It’s not healthy. Turn off the news and turn on some Andy Griffith, I Love Lucy, Ozzie and Harriet or turn it all off and go spend time in nature and/or with your family. Go walking, hiking, fishing, hunting, go take some pictures, appreciate a sunset or sunrise. This world has more good in it than bad. Despite what the news tells you. And it always has. But you won’t see it in your lazyboy.

 

[newfalguy101]

With politicians and, self appointed PC police working diligently to remove any vestige of freedom of religion, there will never be an answer to violence....those in positions of authority refuse to accept the fact that the US has been sliding faster and faster downhill with every feel good law passed that weakens any attempt at any kind of moral reawakening

 

[Keith G]

When the front runners of the Democratic ticket for president say they want to confiscate all semiautomatic firearms, I believe them. It’s not about anyone’s or anything’s safety except theirs. But people need to unplug from this crap. They’re bombarded everyday with negativity. It’s not healthy. Turn off the news and turn on some Andy Griffith, I Love Lucy, Ozzie and Harriet or turn it all off and go spend time in nature and/or with your family. Go walking, hiking, fishing, hunting, go take some pictures, appreciate a sunset or sunrise. This world has more good in it than bad. Despite what the news tells you. And it always has. But you won’t see it in your lazyboy.

Well said. I don’t care what channel/political party/radio station you listen to, their goal is to divide us. If we would all just turn it off and spend some time outside with one another, I believe we’d find we all have a lot more in common than we would believe, and then the media and politicians would quickly lose their control over the masses. A guy can hope...

 

[natman]

Whenever someone offers a solution to "gun violence", you can bet that their solution with concentrate on the gun and do nothing about the violence.

 

[LiveLife]

Whenever someone offers a solution to "gun violence", you can bet that their solution with concentrate on the gun and do nothing about the violence.

When a drunk driver killed 7 motorcyclists and injured 3 while driving a pickup truck, there was no talk of banning alcohol or pickup trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ver-charged-crash-killed-7-bikers/1547249001/

When a driver killed 84 people and injured 303 using a large truck, there was no talk of banning large trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/nice-france-truck-attack-what-we-know.html

When a group of men killed 33 people and injured 130 using knives, there was no talk of banning knives. Instead, the focus was made on the men - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

When two brothers killed 3 people and injured 264 using pressure cooker bombs, there was no talk of banning pressure cookers. Instead, the focus was made on the two brothers - https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/boston-marathon-terror-attack-fast-facts/index.html

Banning knives, pressures cookers, pickup trucks, large trucks or whatever people use to kill other people won't stop the killings. I guess some people are just violent.

But when any mass shooter kills people, there is an immediate talk of more gun control. And the focus remains on gun control for law makers to "do something". Well, they did and decades of anti-gun/2A laws have not stopped mass shootings ...

 

[skeeterfogger]

I remember back when underware commercials on TV and in print could only involve manicans.
I remember being with my dad when people started being the models.
I remember my dad telling me. Now the human race is being lead to inept decency disrespect to be followed by callousness.
I remember being with my dad as foul language was bit by bit inserted onto every form of the lowest that being entertainment.
I remember being with my dad when that same lowest form called entertainment inserted more and more skin, more vulgarity and detailed graphic of every facet of violence.
I've been around long enough to see adults become lesser of as lowest forms insert their low bowed inept indoctrination.
I'm here now seeing that loathsome self entitlement indoctrination of skewed lowest form with reverse educated dummies raising even less educated disrespectful dummies raising even more falsely educated disrespectful sychopathic narsistic violent dummies.
And people wonder why we are at the point we are at. The term "civilization" is being systematically executed. The Nero games and parties continue.

 

[Bo]

When a drunk driver killed 7 motorcyclists and injured 3 while driving a pickup truck, there was no talk of banning alcohol or pickup trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ver-charged-crash-killed-7-bikers/1547249001/

When a driver killed 84 people and injured 303 using a large truck, there was no talk of banning large trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/nice-france-truck-attack-what-we-know.html

When a group of men killed 33 people and injured 130 using knives, there was no talk of banning knives. Instead, the focus was made on the men - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

When two brothers killed 3 people and injured 264 using pressure cooker bombs, there was no talk of banning pressure cookers. Instead, the focus was made on the two brothers - https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/boston-marathon-terror-attack-fast-facts/index.html

Banning knives, pressures cookers, pickup trucks, large trucks or whatever people use to kill other people won't stop the killings. I guess some people are just violent.

But when any mass shooter kills people, there is an immediate talk of more gun control. And the focus remains on gun control for law makers to "do something". Well, they did and decades of anti-gun/2A laws have not stopped mass shootings ...

I couldn't have said it better myself!
It's NOT the gun, it's the SHOOTER!

 

[HPCadm17]

When a drunk driver killed 7 motorcyclists and injured 3 while driving a pickup truck, there was no talk of banning alcohol or pickup trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ver-charged-crash-killed-7-bikers/1547249001/

When a driver killed 84 people and injured 303 using a large truck, there was no talk of banning large trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/nice-france-truck-attack-what-we-know.html

When a group of men killed 33 people and injured 130 using knives, there was no talk of banning knives. Instead, the focus was made on the men - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

When two brothers killed 3 people and injured 264 using pressure cooker bombs, there was no talk of banning pressure cookers. Instead, the focus was made on the two brothers - https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/boston-marathon-terror-attack-fast-facts/index.html

Banning knives, pressures cookers, pickup trucks, large trucks or whatever people use to kill other people won't stop the killings. I guess some people are just violent.

But when any mass shooter kills people, there is an immediate talk of more gun control. And the focus remains on gun control for law makers to "do something". Well, they did and decades of anti-gun/2A laws have not stopped mass shootings ...

The response will be, "Trucks and pressure cookers weren't designed to kill, but guns were. If you use a vehicle or pressure cooker as intended, nobody dies, but if you use a gun as intended, something or someone will die." That's how they will paint the gun itself as the embodiment of evil, and you will never convince them otherwise. They have the advantage of the weight of emotion on their side.

 

[Palolosj]

Whenever someone offers a solution to "gun violence", you can bet that their solution with concentrate on the gun and do nothing about the violence.

To address violence in society would mean spending large sums of money and resources. Taking guns away or limiting their number is much less expensive.

 

[WheelGunMan]

Banning knives, pressures cookers, pickup trucks, large trucks or whatever people use to kill other people won't stop the killings. I guess some people are just violent.

But when any mass shooter kills people, there is an immediate talk of more gun control. And the focus remains on gun control for law makers to "do something". Well, they did and decades of anti-gun/2A laws have not stopped mass shootings ...

Spot on and very well stated!

 

[theotherwaldo]

So, in a society where morals, ethics and laws are officially outmoded, officials are surprised that people are not following morals, ethics and laws.
Now these same officials want to impose new laws that will only be followed by the moral, ethical and lawful.

Right.

 

[.308 Norma]

So, in a society where morals, ethics and laws are officially outmoded, officials are surprised that people are not following morals, ethics and laws.
Now these same officials want to impose new laws that will only be followed by the moral, ethical and lawful.

Right.

 

[SilentStalker]

When a drunk driver killed 7 motorcyclists and injured 3 while driving a pickup truck, there was no talk of banning alcohol or pickup trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ver-charged-crash-killed-7-bikers/1547249001/

When a driver killed 84 people and injured 303 using a large truck, there was no talk of banning large trucks. Instead, the focus was made on the driver - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/nice-france-truck-attack-what-we-know.html

When a group of men killed 33 people and injured 130 using knives, there was no talk of banning knives. Instead, the focus was made on the men - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

When two brothers killed 3 people and injured 264 using pressure cooker bombs, there was no talk of banning pressure cookers. Instead, the focus was made on the two brothers - https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/boston-marathon-terror-attack-fast-facts/index.html

Banning knives, pressures cookers, pickup trucks, large trucks or whatever people use to kill other people won't stop the killings. I guess some people are just violent.

But when any mass shooter kills people, there is an immediate talk of more gun control. And the focus remains on gun control for law makers to "do something". Well, they did and decades of anti-gun/2A laws have not stopped mass shootings ...

This needs to be sent to all our Congress critters!

 

[fjblair]

yeah, it's obvious to rational adults, but facts and common sense are not considerations to the gun control shills. This truth has been evident for decades.

 

[mnrivrat]

I have yet to meet an advocate for more restrictive gun laws that will change their minds by presenting them with either facts, or logic. The only ones that seem to wake up are those who have been significantly victimized in a manner which they realize if they had a gun they could have prevented it. Even then many do not . Our media and our higher education entity's do a good job at propaganda and indoctrination .

 

[FlSwampRat]

The response will be, "Trucks and pressure cookers weren't designed to kill, but guns were."

Yeah, I have that discussion with a liberal friend of mine from time to time. He's a gearhead and has a Dodge Charger R/T, big hemi, talking maybe adding a supercharger. I try to point out that the highest speed limit here in FLA of which I'm aware is 75. My 4 cylinder VW back in '71 would do that easily. What does he need that much horsepower for. His answer is because he can have it. I just look at him at that point like I can't believe what he just said. I own the things I own because I want them and I can have them and I could afford to buy them.

 

[Old Dog]

And of course, the source for this op-ed is ... Fox News.

Yeah, he gets it; we all get it. But these opinions don't get time in all the rest of the (liberal) media outlets, so ... as well-stated as this gentleman's facts and opinions are, ultimately, it's still just preaching to the choir.

Which is not to say that I think the piece is without value; well-written, well-stated articles such as this do help us all review and develop our own arguments, especially for those new to the RKBA community.

 

[LiveLife]

But I thought Fox News channel readership/viewership has increased to where more and more people are reading/watching, perhaps to other channels combined.

Think about it, potential gun owners/new gun owners are likely to read/watch Fox News ...

Which means Fox News is the "right" channel to host such article/analysis.

 

[GAF]

People who think that banning shovels will keep other people from digging holes is clearly delusional thinking.

 

[Palolosj]

They are going to promote gun control because it's seen as the most cost effective way to solve the issue(s). The only thing I watch is local news for about 15 to 20 minutes per day and weather from the Weather Channel.
There are media personalities making many millions dividing people. It amuses me that different way of spending tax money is seen as Socialist or Communist endeavor.
Fox News often called "Faux News" is not totally useless because they still have Shep Smith and Chris Wallace.

 

[film495]

They have to blame the guns. If anyone noticed that there are already laws in place that should prevent a lot of mass shootings, people would wonder why we are not enforcing existing laws and who is responsible for that. More laws nobody is going to enforce certainly seems like an odd solution to propose …

 

[Palolosj]

The purpose is not to find a solution but to make it seem the politicians are doing something. The real solutions to limit use of guns in commitment of crimes will not be addressed because that would cost a lot of money.