RevolvingCylinder
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And that's the self-fulfilling prophecy.
Spending $$$ on guns now is dumb. You should be contributing to pro-2A politicians.
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toomanygunstoolittlemoney
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I am saddened by the anger directed against 'our own' on this thread. Many, if not all, of the opposing arguments have positive merit, yet they feel that this can only be done 'at the expense' of opposing or destroying the merit of a different view.
Complacency is a real problem in the community [though probably not on this forum]. There are many positive steps we can take.
No one method will win the battle. Not everyone can do them all, but simply buying firearms is nowhere near enough. 60-80 million gun owners nationally - Not one other issue has such vast percentage of support in this country. How can we possibly even be having this problem in our nation? Because gun owners sit on their complacent rears and don't get active. Yes, I can't 'tell you' what to do with your money or time. But I can challenge you to examine your own priorities. I can't speak for the member that originally posted, but I think that this was all he was attempting to do.
Now you can prioritize flaming me in response, or pick up a pen or phone and get in the fight - It is your choice.
Complacency is a real problem in the community [though probably not on this forum]. There are many positive steps we can take.
- Financially support RKBA groups, or better still volunteer
- Directly Support pro-gun candidates
- Demonstrate your activism with letters/phone calls/emails faxes to office holders
- Demonstrate your activism with letters/phone calls/emails/faxes to media outlets
- Support the industry with your purchases
- Recruit new supporters by introducing them to firearms sports
No one method will win the battle. Not everyone can do them all, but simply buying firearms is nowhere near enough. 60-80 million gun owners nationally - Not one other issue has such vast percentage of support in this country. How can we possibly even be having this problem in our nation? Because gun owners sit on their complacent rears and don't get active. Yes, I can't 'tell you' what to do with your money or time. But I can challenge you to examine your own priorities. I can't speak for the member that originally posted, but I think that this was all he was attempting to do.
Now you can prioritize flaming me in response, or pick up a pen or phone and get in the fight - It is your choice.
SamTuckerMTNMAN
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one thing to do
is keep respect and unity with other gun owners, shooters, activists, and in general unusual and usual characters in any way related to RKBA. Don't divide too easily, there are enemies within the gates.....
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is keep respect and unity with other gun owners, shooters, activists, and in general unusual and usual characters in any way related to RKBA. Don't divide too easily, there are enemies within the gates.....
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I would prefer if you did not suggest how I spend my money.
Also, I "give" enough money to the political arena as it is. It will be a dark
day when I donate money to any poitician for some tenuous feeling that I am
in some way helping to 'protect' rights which should require no such
'protection.'
I would prefer if you did not suggest how I spend my money.
Also, I "give" enough money to the political arena as it is. It will be a dark
day when I donate money to any poitician for some tenuous feeling that I am
in some way helping to 'protect' rights which should require no such
'protection.'
jlbraun,
I guess you would say two birds in the bush are better than one bird in the hand?
As an "evul librul," you may think you know better than we do how to spend our money, and you may wish you could spend it for us. But you shouldn't be knocking anybody's RKBA efforts for buying AR's. There's lots of other ways to save money or make money. You aren't helping promote the RKBA cause by restricting ownership of AR's.
I guess you would say two birds in the bush are better than one bird in the hand?
As an "evul librul," you may think you know better than we do how to spend our money, and you may wish you could spend it for us. But you shouldn't be knocking anybody's RKBA efforts for buying AR's. There's lots of other ways to save money or make money. You aren't helping promote the RKBA cause by restricting ownership of AR's.
I LIKE IT!
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So when the SHTF in Jan 2009(Dems in control
) where are all us pro gun folks going to move and or seceed?
The Gov. revolves around money and control what makes you think both sides will quit playing politics with rights the founding fathers wrote in plain English? Keep giving them what they want. I have no faith in the Government.
) where are all us pro gun folks going to move and or seceed?The Gov. revolves around money and control what makes you think both sides will quit playing politics with rights the founding fathers wrote in plain English? Keep giving them what they want. I have no faith in the Government.
Too bad.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.Never. But I will feel free to call you shortsighted.
I'm not "restricting ownership", ya maroon. I'm saying that "if the choice is spending money on your third AR or sending money to pro-gun candidiates, and you spend money on the third AR, that's shortsighted."
Seeing how I've motivated 2 people to get off their duffs and donate because of this thread, and offended several others who weren't going to give a dime anyway, I consider it a success.
Scorpiusdeus
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While your message has merit, your delivery sucks.
I'll do both thank you and your opinion of me doesn't matter.
I's like to see you write a letter to the NRA and ask the executives to give up half of their Million dollar salary's in support of the cause.
I'll do both thank you and your opinion of me doesn't matter.
I's like to see you write a letter to the NRA and ask the executives to give up half of their Million dollar salary's in support of the cause.
Scorpiusdeus
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Not to mention that it may not work and then those people who didn't go out and buy that AR won't get a better government or an AR.
Example, CA and Microstamping. We elected a Republican Governor and we still get screwed.
They are all sell outs.
Example, CA and Microstamping. We elected a Republican Governor and we still get screwed.
They are all sell outs.
How bout a first or second AR???
Perhaps you've overestimated yourself and the impact of your thread. Furthermore, it's ignorant to presume knowledge about the pro-2A contributions of the "2 others" just because they aren't broadcasting it to the world as you have done here. THAT is shortsighted!
Lastly, resorting to name-calling is not taking "The High Road."
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You do not have the capacity to 'hurt my feelings.'
And that's where you're wrong. I would guess that you have motivated
more people to go out and buy that third AR... which is, of course, the right
thing to do, so long as you also bought a few hundred rounds at the same
time.
You do not have the capacity to 'hurt my feelings.'
And that's where you're wrong. I would guess that you have motivated
more people to go out and buy that third AR... which is, of course, the right
thing to do, so long as you also bought a few hundred rounds at the same
time.
The OP is rude and presumptive.
Far more can be done in the courts than by funding the political aspirations of *possibly* pro RKBA candidates. If, for example, SCOTUS issues a pro 2A ruling in Heller/DC, that single case will do more for the RK part of RKBA then all of the money you could possibly spend funding campaigns or the NRA (a group which initially rejected support of the Heller/DC case).
The fight will not be won in the ballot box. Certainly, we get LESS anti 2A legislation when supporting anti-anti2A candidates. The cause, though, is never advanced. How can it be? We have a right, and it gets torn down by inches. All we can do is slow the rate of decay.
The best we can do to advance the cause is to protect it, and that means the courts. Is there a group who's sole purpose is to seek and defend cases that would advance the cause of RKBA? Please don't say "the NRA". While they do good at lobbying for better legislation, they clearly miss the boat on 2nd amendment court defense. I think this is because most court cases that will have standing that COULD change 2A protection involve felonious acts by the defendent. The NRA wants to be seen supporting the law-abiding citizen and his legal use of guns. To enter into the court system on behalf of a citizen illegally using a gun is seen by them as counter-productive and counter to their goal/mission. So... they don't get involved.
Abortion, free speech, and other issues of the first amendment were won IN THE COURTS... not at the ballot box. Thus, if you are going to give your money to a politician hopeful for RKBA, give it to someone who will appoint conservative pro2A judges, and not necessarily someone who espouses anti-anti2A leanings.
p.s. The major reason for voting for GWB wasn't that he would spend us into oblivion, seek to usurp our civil liberties, prepare Iraq for future balkanization, or allow 25 million criminals to become citizens. The reason for voting for GWB was that he would appoint conservative justices to the SCOTUS, and that these justices would stand for the Constitution.
Far more can be done in the courts than by funding the political aspirations of *possibly* pro RKBA candidates. If, for example, SCOTUS issues a pro 2A ruling in Heller/DC, that single case will do more for the RK part of RKBA then all of the money you could possibly spend funding campaigns or the NRA (a group which initially rejected support of the Heller/DC case).
The fight will not be won in the ballot box. Certainly, we get LESS anti 2A legislation when supporting anti-anti2A candidates. The cause, though, is never advanced. How can it be? We have a right, and it gets torn down by inches. All we can do is slow the rate of decay.
The best we can do to advance the cause is to protect it, and that means the courts. Is there a group who's sole purpose is to seek and defend cases that would advance the cause of RKBA? Please don't say "the NRA". While they do good at lobbying for better legislation, they clearly miss the boat on 2nd amendment court defense. I think this is because most court cases that will have standing that COULD change 2A protection involve felonious acts by the defendent. The NRA wants to be seen supporting the law-abiding citizen and his legal use of guns. To enter into the court system on behalf of a citizen illegally using a gun is seen by them as counter-productive and counter to their goal/mission. So... they don't get involved.
Abortion, free speech, and other issues of the first amendment were won IN THE COURTS... not at the ballot box. Thus, if you are going to give your money to a politician hopeful for RKBA, give it to someone who will appoint conservative pro2A judges, and not necessarily someone who espouses anti-anti2A leanings.
p.s. The major reason for voting for GWB wasn't that he would spend us into oblivion, seek to usurp our civil liberties, prepare Iraq for future balkanization, or allow 25 million criminals to become citizens. The reason for voting for GWB was that he would appoint conservative justices to the SCOTUS, and that these justices would stand for the Constitution.
I'm embarrassed we mods missed this thread and didn't close it sooner. It quickly devolved into an old school L&P bash fest.
Look, I don't care what you do. Do something.
Buying guns is good too, because guns are numbers, numbers are statistics, and statistics are power.
Giving money to RKBA groups is excellent.
Personally I'm on track to donate about $8,000 worth of free CCW instruction to students, teachers, and military personel this year. But since I've spent more on guns than giving to RKBA groups, I'm not pulling my weight.
Just a suggestion. If you have an Activism Plan, please post it diplomatically. Getting right in people's faces right off the bat is only going to tick off other posters, cause a fight, and then nothing gets done.
Look, I don't care what you do. Do something.
Buying guns is good too, because guns are numbers, numbers are statistics, and statistics are power.
Giving money to RKBA groups is excellent.
Personally I'm on track to donate about $8,000 worth of free CCW instruction to students, teachers, and military personel this year. But since I've spent more on guns than giving to RKBA groups, I'm not pulling my weight.
Just a suggestion. If you have an Activism Plan, please post it diplomatically. Getting right in people's faces right off the bat is only going to tick off other posters, cause a fight, and then nothing gets done.
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