standard vs monte carlo stock

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I'm looking to re stock my bench and varmint rifle and not sure what stock to get. classic with a strait comb or Monte Carlo type stock? I've always shot classic/strait combs but all the reading I'm seeing is they don't offer a good cheek weld.

what do you guys prefer or suggest for this setup?

I asked with boyds classic-prairie hunter but didn't get many answers so ill try this. :)
 
Here's my R55 Benchmark, very comfortable to shoot off the bench:

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I've always shot a straight comb stock. Just restocked a Win 70 30-06 with a Monte and LOVE IT !
My wife was having trouble with scope eye alignment on her 10/22. Re-stocked it with a Boyd's with adjustable comb. Let me dial her cheek weld in for perfect alignment every time.

Guess the choice is what feels best for you and your face shape. On a bench / target gun the adjustable comb works great and I believe it's an available option on the Praire Hunter stock
 
i shouldered a weatherby with a monte carlo stock in store and it felt pretty good and then walked over and checked a strait comb and it felt good but i think i like the weatherby stock a little more. im more worried about ordering this thing and it not being suitable for bench or prone or sitting with bipods.
 
Getting a good check weld depends in part on how tall the scope sits off the rifle. The larger diameter of the objective lens, the higher the scope may have to be mounted off the rifle.

This affects the distance from the scope to top of the comb on the stock which in turn has an effect on check weld.

For my prairie dog rifles, I've started to get stocks with adjustable combs so that I can make adjustments for different shooting positions if necessary.

There are accessory pad kits available that can be used to raise the comb as well.

I cannot say I really like or dislike either a conventional stock or one with a Monte Carlo comb. With both designs, I'm always having to make some compromises in use.
 
Getting a good check weld depends in part on how tall the scope sits off the rifle. The larger diameter of the objective lens, the higher the scope may have to be mounted off the rifle.

This affects the distance from the scope to top of the comb on the stock which in turn has an effect on check weld.

For my prairie dog rifles, I've started to get stocks with adjustable combs so that I can make adjustments for different shooting positions if necessary.

There are accessory pad kits available that can be used to raise the comb as well.

I cannot say I really like or dislike either a conventional stock or one with a Monte Carlo comb. With both designs, I'm always having to make some compromises in use.
right now its wearing a vortex 44mm scope with i think medium or high Burris signature steel rings. For some reason on my rifle the bolt hits the scope if i don't use the higher rings. It could the way i had the eye relief setup.
 
Cheek weld is dependent on comb height, not whether it's straight. A straight comb can be low for iron sights or high for optics. All the Monte Carlo does is raise the comb above the butt, which can be more comfortable for taller shooters. Personally, they're often comfortable but I usually hate the way Monte Carlo stocks look and think they're extremely dated, reminding me of gaudy older Weatherby rifles.
 
Cheek weld is dependent on comb height, not whether it's straight. A straight comb can be low for iron sights or high for optics. All the Monte Carlo does is raise the comb above the butt, which can be more comfortable for taller shooters. Personally, they're often comfortable but I usually hate the way Monte Carlo stocks look and think they're extremely dated, reminding me of gaudy older Weatherby rifles.
I don't care for the look of them but if it will help me shoot better I'm for it.
 
Like Craigs saying, the actual comb height in relation to bore line and scope height dictates cheak weld. Alot of Montes have the same or very close to the same comb height as the classic stocks from the same line, what changes is how far the stocks drop at the toe and heel.
I really dont like getting kicked by the toe of the stock from something like my 7mags or .300s, and since i prefer not to lower my head to much i need more drop from bore line than a straight stock offers.

One of the reasons i get annoyed at my ar is when shouldered the way i want the toe is only about 1-1.5" into my shoulder pocket. I need to make a drop plate for it.

But back to bore height in relation to comb height.
I chose this stock for my savage specifically because i knew i was using a 44mm objective and med ring so wanted the comb a tad higher, this is one of the stocks that DOES raise the comb above the bore a bit.
 

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Monte Carlo stocks are about putting your eye in the right place with a scope mounted. Nothing to do with how you rest.
Those "gaudy older Weatherby rifles" had 'em for the same reason. Also about helping keep the shooter's face from getting bruised under recoil. In any case, how a stock looks is irrelevant.
 
Also about helping keep the shooter's face from getting bruised under recoil.
That depends on the way the cheek piece is shaped. Some of the modern Monte Carlo stocks have a fairly straight comb with little rise from the front to the back, as the bench stock Odd Job has does. These stocks coupled with the increased drop of the toe/heel below bore line (which means that the stocks tend to have more muzzle rise) actually impact the cheek harder than a true strait line classic would....unless of course your like me and hold the classics up higher so you dont have to lower your head....then it just sucks all the way around.

Again Weatherby actually had a reason for those stocks having alot of rise from the front of the comb to the back (besides flair, and i do actually like the look), which moves it away from the shooters face as the rifle recoils...usually it dosent make a huge difference to me, but ive shot some big magnums that really slapped the crap out of your cheek unless you held your head down tight, and yanked the crap out of your skin if you did.

I really dont like alot of shotguns stocks as the skin pulling becomes and issue after 30-40 rounds.
 
When I restocked factory Remington XCR II in .375 H&H I chose a B&C Weatherby configuration stock with bedding block. It was my first Monte Carlo stock and is a wonderful choice for a reasonably heavy-recoiling rifle. I chose it for just that reason, having shot an acquaintance's .378 Weatherby Mag.

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man I am so torn! I went to cabelas tonight and checked out the used rack and they had 4 rifles with the raised combs. one was a high monte carlo type, the other was a mid range type and the other was lower then the others. they were Remington 700, weatherby and ruger. I shouldered all 3 and all gave me different vibes. the Remington was a little more comfy as it was the lowest, the ruger was mid range and felt a little better and the weatherby felt too high.
 
When I sit at the bench my back is at a ninety degree angle to the ground. I don't hunch over my rifle, it seems to magnify recoil. Maybe that's part of the reason that I prefer the Weatherby style of stock? If the Weatherby Vanguard S2 were CRF with a Mauser type safety it would be my dream rifle, as I really like their stock design and two stage trigger.
 
Whether you agree with them or not (I do), a couple of old time gun writers had a few things to say about Monte Carlo stocks: Jack O'Connor, in his book Complete Book of Rifles and Shotguns, had this to say:

"...The scope problem has been tackled by two different means. One is by the refinement of the classic stock. That is, by giving it a thicker comb that is high enough so that the bolt can just be withdrawn, and by making the buttstock straight-with the same amount of drop at heel as at comb.
"The other method makes use of the Monte Carlo comb. In some cases, this comb is straight from front to rear, dropping off to give the butt an inch or two more drop at heel. A variation of this is the comb that slopes up toward the rear...
"A Monte Carlo comb supports the face to give steadier aim with scope sights; however, the Monte Carlo that comes straight back doesn't provide any better support than the perfectly straight stock. If the shooter is a stock-crawler who gets right up to the point of the comb, the Monte Carlo that slopes up toward the rear gives him no more support than no comb at all.
"The only part of a Monte Carlo that serves any function is the part that supports the face. But many designers bring the Monte Carlo back so far that the buttstock looks like the working end of a canoe paddle. It is a matter of taste, no doubt, but to me such stocks are fearfully ugly..."
"...For my part, I think Monte Carlo combs are something less than beautiful..."

In his book, The Hunting Rifle, Mr. O'Connor further disparaged the looks of the Monte Carlo by saying, "...The worst examples of the Monte Carlo would frighten an alligator."

Another well-respected gun writer and shooter, Jim Carmichael, had this to say about the Monte Carlo stock in his book, The Modern Rifle: "...it represents a detour from the logical evolution of rifle-stock design...In truth, a Monte Carlo is not at all needed to get the eye up to scope height. The same results are achieved by simply elevating the nose of the comb and raising the drop at heel. A typical factory-issue Monte Carlo rifle stock will have a drop of around 1/2" at the nose of the comb, 1/2" at the crest of the Monte Carlo, and 1 1/2" at heel (measuring from the centerline of the bore). A well-designed non-Monte Carlo stock, on the other hand, will have about 1/2" drop at comb and at heel! This high, straight stock line gives the same eye/scope alignment advantage of a Monte Carlo but without the ugly humpbacked profile. In other words, to justify a Monte Carlo comb on a hunting rifle it is necessary to have more drop at heel than desirable. This in turn causes more recoil punishment than necessary and cancels the much-touted 'recoils away from the face' feature of a Monte Carlo. Remember, the greater the drop at heel the greater the tendency to raise or buck upward into the shooter's face as it recoils. A non-Monte Carlo stock with about 1/2" drop at heel recoils more nearly straight to the rear and is less punishing. So, as it turns out, the Monte Carlo comb is only a stylistic venture which adds nothing to a hunting rifle in the way of shootability."

O'Connor and Carmichel were pretty much talking about "hunting" rifles. A bench or varmint rifle that the op has in mind might be a different kettle of fish altogether when it comes to choosing a stock with a Monte Carlo configuration or not. I guess I'm not much help for you, ohihunter2014; maybe muddying the water even further, except to say that if it's more of a varmint rifle as opposed to a strictly bench rifle, I'd opt for a stock sans the Monte Carlo. If it's a bench rifle you settle on, well, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned. Good luck! :)
 
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I just realized that I only own 1 rifle with a Monte Carlo stock, a Rem 700 VS from 1977 in .25-06 which was my first centerfire rifle. I love the fit of that stock. Why none of my other rifles have that type of stock surprises me.
 
I just realized that I only own 1 rifle with a Monte Carlo stock, a Rem 700 VS from 1977 in .25-06 which was my first centerfire rifle. I love the fit of that stock. Why none of my other rifles have that type of stock surprises me.

Same for me untill recently. My first rifle was a 700bdl in .30-06, every gun after that was straight combed.
Ive now either sold all but one of strait comb stocked guns, or switched them to a MC style....wait 2, my stw still wears a straight comb stock....ive also gone back to wood stocks on all but one rifle, so this might just be a phase lol.
 
I think O`Connor and Carmichael nailed it.

I suppose I'd be OK with a straight comb stock with a significant drop at the heel, if such a thing existed. In current production rifles, as far as I can tell the only stocks that have any significant drop at the heel are Monte Carlo designs (e.g. Weatherby) or "Hog Back" designs (e.g. CZ Safari). Without drop at the heel I feel like I have to put the butt pad on my collar bone.
 
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