Strange suggestion from S&W

[Ernie Bass]

I'm glad the steps you took helped but S&W was correct.
Remington Golden Bullets are garbage. I have had failures ranging from FTFs to split cases in every .22 I have ever tried them in.
I even had a case split in my TC Contender 22 match barrel. I have no idea how that could even happen in a that tight chamber.

If you read the post he said he went back to the range with the Goldens after cleaning and he had no problems. To just recommend using different ammo was lame advice. Many guns can be finiky on ammo, but in this case the advice of cleaning like Walkalong said in his post should have been included. Again, I have no problems with Goldens in all my 22.cals and even have one that prefers it. Just the life of 22.cal.

 

[.38 Special]

I assume that the people manning the phones at any company making a firearm chambered for .22 LR receive "My gun is defective!" calls every day. And I'll bet that the great majority of those calls would have been more properly directed to the ammunition companies.

I'm the last guy to defend S&W these days, but I can understand why the O.P. was given those instructions.

 

[Ernie Bass]

I assume that the people manning the phones at any company making a firearm chambered for .22 LR receive "My gun is defective!" calls every day. And I'll bet that the great majority of those calls would have been more properly directed to the ammunition companies.

I'm the last guy to defend S&W these days, but I can understand why the O.P. was given those instructions.

I have been telling folks to clean the striker chamber for years on all guns especially 22.cal. Not rocket science.If the OP had switched to other ammo he would have had the same issue. Smart for the OP to seek out other sources and correct on his own.

 

[.38 Special]

I have been telling folks to clean the striker chamber for years on all guns especially 22.cal. Not rocket science.If the OP had switched to other ammo he would have had the same issue. Smart for the OP to seek out other sources and correct on his own.

Agreed.

 

[H&R Glock]

Well, we can agree to disagree on whether you need to take down a new gun to perform a total cleansing. I only run a swab thru the bore of a new gun to make sure there is a hole all the way to the end.
We agree that Remington quality can be good or bad.
I hope that we all agree that ammo quality does not make the firing pin strike weakly.

and laying a finger aside of his nose- up the chimney he rose..........

 

[sparkyv]

Fortunately, it's not too difficult to clean the firing pin. I'm glad you got it working; the 22A-1 is a pretty good shooter. Mine prefers CCI SV.

learned how to dis-assemble the firing pin yesterday. Cleaned it and the block carefully. Returned to the range today with an identical box of 100 Remingtons and the gun never failed!

Goldens bullet gud! Me like.

Golden bullet has been good to me over the years, Ive had alot more trouble with Winchester .22.

The individually packed Golden Bullets have always worked well for me. The bulk packed stuff.....not so much.

The bulk boxes of 500 rounds are total junk and are to be avoided. Their quality can be great or trash depending on your luck of the draw. The plastic 100 pack seem to be consistently good.

 

[jmohme]

If you read the post he said he went back to the range with the Goldens after cleaning and he had no problems. To just recommend using different ammo was lame advice. Many guns can be finiky on ammo, but in this case the advice of cleaning like Walkalong said in his post should have been included. Again, I have no problems with Goldens in all my 22.cals and even have one that prefers it. Just the life of 22.cal.

I did read his post as is evident in the first line of my reply, but the fact remains, that Remington Goldens have a terrible reputation.
I do understand that different guns like one ammo over the other, but from all that I have seen, a gun that likes RGBs is a rare thing indeed.

 

[Ernie Bass]

I did read his post as is evident in the first line of my reply, but the fact remains, that other that Remington Goldens have a terrible reputation.
I do understand that different guns like one ammo over the other, but from all that I have seen, a gun that likes RGBs is a rare thing indeed.

I guess I have quite a few rare guns and the fact remains that I do not have a problem with the ammo. Sorry that you disagree
. . Are Goldens my "Prefered ammo? No, But again, no problem with them. and I mentioned ONE pistol that does prefer them. The thing is, if your gun does not feed Remington, or you are having problems in your particular gun then I have no problem with that. My gosh, there is plenty of other ammo out there. Go for it.
. Sorry. But I was not telling you what ammo for you to shoot nor advising any ammo for you or your gun. And that was not the main point anyway. The main point was the dirty striker channel not ammo. Really not looking for a debate on what ammo your guns like compared to mine.

 

[Ignition Override]

walterelm: Guten Abend/Morgen:

The "S&W" M&P .22 always seem to be marketed with little, or no info that these handguns were manufactured by Walther, in Ulm.

My Walther P99, as you know, was also manufactured in Ulm, but the marketers of the Walther P99 (here in the US) don't pretend that It is a US-made gun.

 

[Master Blaster]

Remington Golden bullet ammo is crap and has been crap for about 20 years. The last box I bought I shot out of my 10/22 and you could actually hear a difference in the report from one round to another. About 1 in 10 were so weak they wouldn't cycle the gun. Some rounds that hit the 50 yard Rams did not have enough oomph to knock them over.

 

[Ernie Bass]

Remington Golden bullet ammo is crap and has been crap for about 20 years. The last box I bought I shot out of my 10/22 and you could actually hear a difference in the report from one round to another. About 1 in 10 were so weak they wouldn't cycle the gun. Some rounds that hit the 50 yard Rams did not have enough oomph to knock them over.

Kind of strange that you say Remington is crap and has been crap for 20 years and yet you go out and buy more and complain? .

 

[wally]

Texas10 and I have the same thoughts on Remingtom ammo. The bulk boxes of 500 rounds are total junk and are to be avoided. Their quality can be great or trash depending on your luck of the draw. The plastic 100 pack seem to be consistently good. Go figure.
I still can't figure out why S&W seems to think that a visual "light strike" can be caused by ammo )*&&^*(&*!!*
Who has the best priced Aguila for sale these days?

Two different ammo with similar names. The "good stuff" is a 40gr bullet, the Bulk Pack and Buckets are 36gr.

Everything will have "weak" primer hits when the firing pin cchannel gets clogged, Buckmark, MkII, 1911, Glock. Its just rimfire guns get there much quicker.

 

[buck460XVR]

I hope that we all agree that ammo quality does not make the firing pin strike weakly.

On that I agree, however, I also agree that S&W gave you sound and very common advice, when it comes to .22. Simply a process of elimination where you start with the simplest and most common problem first. Poor quality ammo is the cause of more fail to fires in .22 than all other causes put together. Thus trying a better quality ammo would be the first step. If you would have tried that and still had failure to fire, odds are S&W would have sent you a shipping label. But sending a gun back to the mother ship don't make much sense if the ammo is the culprit, so, eliminate that first. Phone techs, not knowing ones mechanical skill level/aptitude would probably not first suggest tearing the gun down and cleaning it thoroughly, again, unless the ammo was ruled out as the cause.

The way .22 ammo is made and for what little it costs, it's hard for me to believe that most of it functions as well and as reliably as it does.