Super deep concealment

[FAS1]

When it comes to passing through security points, it's the people and not the equipment who are really "defeated".

Soft facilities are full of holes. Disney World, for example, does a fairly thorough search of bags entering their parks, and makes use of metal detectors. The average person entering Disney World would think it's pretty good. However, anyone with any experience can look at what's being done and figure out how to slip through items with no problem. I've done it several times with my camera and have even figured out ways I could slip weapons through.

My advice for areas where no laws would be broken by the attempt is to understand the system in place and be smart enough to realize when you need to leave your pocket knife in the car for the duration of the venue or just not attend at all.

And remember...there are non-metallic options available. A simple walking staff/cane (even with metal on the ends) is one such option.

I had a recent experience at the IndyCar event at COTA last month. I left my gun locked in the car because it is a GFZ and I know that. Parking was a pretty good walking distance and when we got there they had metal detectors at the entrance. I thought to myself "I'm glad I left my gun in the car".

The metal detector went off when I went through and there were several people wanding those that set it off. An older lady got me. When it went off, immediately I remembered I had my Spyderco C07 clipped on at the SOB. It's a pretty large knife!



She asked" do you have anything metal on you as she wanded me down my sides. I said "keys and belt buckle" as I held the keys in my left hand. She wanded me again down my sides and the wand indicated again on my right side. I reached in my right pocket that I thought was empty and pulled out a COTA branded aluminum keychain canister that has earplugs in it. She said "there it is" and let me through.



I really wasn't trying to get through with a knife initially, but when I realized I had it, I was hoping to make it through and not have to go all the way back to the car to leave it since I was already past the metal detector and it would have taken me 30 minutes to go back. I really didn't expect to get through and I have never gone through that before. I have carried that knife everywhere for about 30 years now and just forgot in this instance. Certainly, she didn't do a good job and there was even another guy standing with her and nobody for him to wand. He could have had her do it differently and he did nothing.

It did little to instill my confidence that there were no weapons at the event, but I'll never do that again.

 

[mdauben]

Uh, no. Sign in front of courthouse says no head wear allowed. I’ve not seen anyone challenge that in years. If it ain’t allowed, take it back to your vehicle. Period.

Must be a local thing. I walk into my county courthouse with a hat or ball cap on all the time. That's just in the lobby and office areas, though, not in an actual court room.

 

[Armored farmer]

Busch Stadium, St Louis Cardinals game. I forgot my SAK in my pocket. I got beeped st security, and emptied my pockets.
I said, "I gotta go put that back in the car".
"No sir, that is an 'emergency tool', you are allowed to have that, enjoy the game!"
I thanked her and did just that.
I wonder if my leatherman Wave would have passed or.....maybe she was just being nice to the middle-aged, farmer tanned, grey haired, country boy with a wife and two teenaged boys in tow?
I looked st the website, it said nothing about 'emergency tool'.
?

 

[Kendahl]

Street fairs. Sporting events. Bars. Dance halls. Anywhere that is likely to have a high saturation of drunks or kids, I dont carry.
We have close family members who have a honky-tonk band that plays the local watering holes. We travel around the area to hear them play music in those dives.
Booze and guns dont mix well. Mine stay home or in the truck.

Provided you stay sober yourself, I've never understood the argument that increased danger from other people's bad behavior in such places means you shouldn't carry there. If anything, it's an argument for avoiding them entirely. The same (il)logic would imply that I shouldn't carry when I refuel my car, because every station I've patronized regularly has been robbed, or shop at the nearest supermarket, because of carjackings in their parking lot, or use the nearest bank, because a customer using the ATM was robbed at knife point and the tellers work behind bullet resistant glass.

 

[Armored farmer]

Provided you stay sober yourself, I've never understood the argument that increased danger from other people's bad behavior in such places means you shouldn't carry there. If anything, it's an argument for avoiding them entirely. The same (il)logic would imply that I shouldn't carry when I refuel my car, because every station I've patronized regularly has been robbed, or shop at the nearest supermarket, because of carjackings in their parking lot, or use the nearest bank, because a customer using the ATM was robbed at knife point and the tellers work behind bullet resistant glass.

All true.
However in my state it is illegal to carry in an establishment that makes the majority of its income......(welcome to Illinois)....from the sale of alcohol.

 

[kemikos]

All true.
However in my state it is illegal to carry in an establishment that makes the majority of its income......(welcome to Illinois)....from the sale of alcohol.

Keep in mind it's the responsibility of the establishment to post the IL-standard sign if they're above the limit; it's not your responsibility to know what their financials look like. Many places that you'd think would fall under the rule actually don't (yes, even bars), because they make most of their money from food or gambling machines. If they're not posted, you can legally assume that they're not prohibited.

Of course, this doesn't really apply to places that are specifically listed in the statute, like schools or hospitals. For those places you're supposed to know you can't carry there.

 

[MikeInOr]

My normal deep concealed carry for the office, dressier occasions, etc. is a KelTec p32 in a leather holster I made that prints like a wallet. Sometimes if that's still going to print too much I'll drop a NAA mag into a jacket pocket or similar.

The last time I went through 'security' at an establishment where it wasn't illegal to carry, it got me thinking about having an even deeper concealment option. Something where I could hold the whole package in my hand and not have it given a second glance. I don't want to cross into AOW territory so firing from concealment isn't a concern.

I've seen the sneaky pete 'holsters' that are basically wallets folded up around your gun, but the idea of a NAA .22 short dropped into a pack of camels has been on my mind for weeks. I don't have one and there's not one in stock locally, can anyone confirm the size? Any other good James-Bond-Like ideas?

I do not have a NAA .22 short and I don't smoke... but I do have the NAA .22lr and I am pretty positive it will fit into a pack of cigarettes.

The local sports coliseum does security checks with metal detectors but it is actually legal to carry on premise. I don't feel the need to be armed to watch a hockey game... I sure the heck don't like the 3 mile walk back to my car in down town Portland in the dark after the game is over while I am completely naked! I can see how putting a pack of cigarettes into the tray with my keys and cell phone would be nice.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

Normally I dont care about my G26 with 12rd mag in an OWB leather holster printing a little, but "super deep concealment" to me is the same gun in a IWB kydex holster.

It's not a huge difference but enough to where when going into a place where non legal signs are up I can get away with it.

No need to buy another gun.

 

[bluejeans]

... a hockey game... I sure the heck don't like the 3 mile walk back to my car in down town Portland in the dark after the game is over while I am completely naked!

I must not understand something about hockey... I normally finish with my clothes still on. Is this a Portland thing?

 

[mdauben]

I must not understand something about hockey... I normally finish with my clothes still on. Is this a Portland thing?

Those Portland fans are serious about their hockey!

 

[MikeInOr]

Those Portland fans are serious about their hockey!

To me walking around unarmed feels like I am walking around naked! ...but you probably already surmised that!

 

[thomas15]

There is "super deep concealment" and then there is "super duper deep concealment". Fine line for sure but it does exist.

 

[adcoch1]

No need to buy another gun.

What is this?! Never deny someone another opportunity to buy another gun! Blasphemy!

I used to carry an NAA black widow in a hommade wallet holster at work. It was very unobtrusive and hidden well. I also had a pda case with a keltec 380 in it. They both never got another look from anyone. I prefer a near full size gun most of the time but a hideout gun just makes sense sometimes.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

What is this?! Never deny someone another opportunity to buy another gun! Blasphemy!

I used to carry an NAA black widow in a hommade wallet holster at work. It was very unobtrusive and hidden well. I also had a pda case with a keltec 380 in it. They both never got another look from anyone. I prefer a near full size gun most of the time but a hideout gun just makes sense sometimes.

My near fullsize gun hasn't given me any issues so far.

Today I took my wife to a hospital that had a non legal "no guns" sign at the front. I sat in the waiting room with my G26 with extended mag on my side while browsing THR without a care in the world from anyone.

You dont need the tiniest gun out there to be complacent in a non gun zone, and folks really do themselves a disservice doing so.

 

[Obturation]

The last time I went through 'security' at an establishment where it wasn't illegal to carry, it got me thinking about having an even deeper

Im puzzled, if its legal to carry there what is the security checking for?

 

[Sistema1927]

Im puzzled, if its legal to carry there what is the security checking for?

Wasn't illegal, as in they will cuff you and haul you away, but rather against "house rules" where they will kick you out.

 

[entropy]

All true.
However in my state it is illegal to carry in an establishment that makes the majority of its income......(welcome to Illinois)....from the sale of alcohol.

And like Wisconsin, what establishment doesn't? Like you I have some friends whose bands play the local watering holes, (if I hadn't injured my left hand in a work accident, I'd be in one of them) and the firepower stays out in the truck's lockbox when I go see them. If the Tommy Bentz Band or Boondoogle ever get down your way, or you're up this way, Armored farmer, they are a good time, either of them.

There is "super deep concealment" and then there is "super duper deep concealment". Fine line for sure but it does exist.

Well, yeah, but using one's rectum for a holster doesn't sound very comfortable, nor allow for a quick draw.

 

[kemikos]

And like Wisconsin, what establishment doesn't?

Most bars in Illinois now have a section with gambling machines now that it's legal, and apparently they're highly lucrative. Even before that, though, if a bar has a dining area and sells good food, there's a very good chance they make more on the food than on the booze.

Either way, to the end user (us in IL), it's irrelevant. If there's a sign, it's prohibited. If there's not, and it's not one of the statutorily prohibited places, we're good to go. Just don't drink while you're there (regardless of whether you believe it's ok to have a drink with dinner while carrying, in IL any BAC while carrying is illegal).

 

[jstert]

naa survival mini 22lr with ten extra rounds fits in a soft smartphone case without printing. recently i pulled the whole case out as i fished in my pocket for change at the supermarket line. no issues. indeed this isn’t a tactical setup but the naa isn’t a tactical piece and i have other ccw available. the naa is a cornered animal piece when nothing else can be carried in a non governmental facility.