Taurus Raging Judge

[GCBurner]

I'm trying to see how it is legal and not a short barreled shotgun. There is no cartridge that can be shot through it like the .45 Colt. No one make 28 gauge buck shot or slugs. Any cartridge over .50 is considered a destructive device, not counting ancient african hunting rounds and shotshell rounds.

At .55 calibre for a 28 gauge, maybe a .550 Express?
Make a cool "Howdah Pistol" for tiger hunting from the back of your elephant.

 

[pikid89]

^lol

 

[mgkdrgn]

I thought the "Raging Judge" was the "Raging Bull" 454 Casull gun retooled to handle 410 as well as 454 and 45 Colt.

 

[deacon8]

How many shells does that thing hold?

That thing is absolutely nuts haha! However, it would be serious snake medicine. With one of those, I could crawl right into a rattlesnake den. Firing in double action, massecuring snakes. Then I could empty the cylinder and reload that massive thing with my 28 gauge speedloader. I'd be like the Rambo of snake cullers. Hell, I could get two of them. One in each hand! haha!

 

[Mp7]

From what movie was it? I do remember something .....

except for the giggles .....
What was it for again?


i wouldnt feel unarmed with one ( as long as ammo ammo is there ..)
but it is a BBQ talkpiece isn´t it?

 

[mgregg85]

Couldn't they put in some very shallow, very slow twist rifling that would be essentially insignificant yet still satisfy the requirements of the law?

 

[GEM]

I thought the law issue was the diameter?

 

[Quaamik]

Would I buy one.......

Depends: Do they make slugs in 28 gauge?

 

[mdThanatos]

I am going to guess 5-6 shots for that thing.

here is a pic of it with a view of the cylinder:

PIC

 

[Sam1911]

Couldn't they put in some very shallow, very slow twist rifling that would be essentially insignificant yet still satisfy the requirements of the law?

That certainly would cover that portion of the law that partially defines an NFA Any Other Weapon as, "...a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell..."

It doesn't answer the question of an NFA large bore Destructive Device, which is "... any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes..."

If it fires a shotshell and is a revolver, it is not an AOW if the bore is rifled.

It is clearly larger than one-half inch diameter so it certainly could be a DD. However, most shotguns are exempted as being particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

BUT, this is not a shotgun at all as defined by the NFA, as it states:

"The term ''shotgun'' means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of projectiles (ball shot) or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell."

So...this is indeed a mystery.

Of course, various rifle cartridges have long been exempted from the DD classification -- such as the .577 and .600 caliber big game cartridges, and JD Jones' 14.5 JDJ round. So...

My guess is that someone from Taurus has had a series of in-depth conversations with the ATF Tech Branch and has gotten an o.k. on this.

Boy it would be grand if someone at the show had a moment to ask the Taurus folks how the NFA question was settled!

 

[JohnBT]

http://mjm.luckygunner.com/2011/01/18/taurus-raging-judge

5 shots.

6.5" barrel, I wonder if it's rifled.

 

[HelterSkelter]

who says you would have to shoot it? lol

also the raging judge is a .454 cassull/ 410 gauge .

 

[RhinoDefense]

The concept of these weapons are so stupid. I can't believe it.

 

[rust collector]

It's the hellboy special

Dang, it would be fun to order a caramel machiato venti with that slung on yer hip.

 

[jerkface11]

Well I want it.

 

[Tomcat47]

I like it! But I like a 28 Guage.....and it has a nice home defense feel to it

Ammo not the easiest to be found! or cheap! compared to other shotgun varieties.

 

[Brian Williams]

Another answer for a non-existent question. I am still waiting for the 45 ACP or Colt only 445 to be built by Taurus again.

 

[Girodin]

It's a 28ga revolver. So good luck with ammo.

If this things sell anything like the judge has, ammo will possibly become much more common. Look at all advent of judge specific loads.

 

[William Lee]

I would buy two and take them right to the trap range. That would be fun as heck. Aside from that, I see no real use.

 

[ph21]

Sounds like Winchester will be making some defensive rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDgCdQ-01Dc&feature=sub

How is this not a sawed-off shotgun?

 

[Jubjub]

So they skipped right over 32 gauge?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Never heard of 32 gauge, must be why they skipped it.

 

[Armored farmer]

The 12 ga. Preposterous Judge. Then will come the 10ga Hemorrhaging Judge...

haha

 

[Sam1911]

How is this not a sawed-off shotgun?

By the definitions in the NFA, a Shotgun MUST be a weapon fired from the shoulder.

I'll just quote myself from the thread on this in the SHOT Show forum:

Couldn't they put in some very shallow, very slow twist rifling that would be essentially insignificant yet still satisfy the requirements of the law?

That certainly would cover that portion of the law that partially defines an NFA Any Other Weapon as, "...a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell..."

It doesn't answer the question of an NFA large bore Destructive Device, which is "... any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes..."

If it fires a shotshell and is a revolver, it is not an AOW if the bore is rifled.

It is clearly larger than one-half inch diameter so it certainly could be a DD. However, most shotguns are exempted as being particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

BUT, this is not a shotgun at all as defined by the NFA, as it states:

"The term ''shotgun'' means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of projectiles (ball shot) or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell."

So...this is indeed a mystery.

Of course, various rifle cartridges have long been exempted from the DD classification -- such as the .577 and .600 caliber big game cartridges, and JD Jones' 14.5 JDJ round. So...

My guess is that someone from Taurus has had a series of in-depth conversations with the ATF Tech Branch and has gotten an o.k. on this.

Boy it would be grand if someone at the show had a moment to ask the Taurus folks how the NFA question was settled!

 

[CraigC]

Yes, very nice, almost as heavy as my 28ga double but about 1% as useful.....and I think that's being generous.