The Brave One

[gunsmith]

you guys need to include spoiler alerts!

To late now, you guys ruined the best line in the movie, I'm glad I saw it before I read it here.

I hardly ever see movies anymore because of the uber liberal H'wood agenda.
I went to see this because liberal newspapers were giving it horrible reviews because it had guns being used by people who were not police or criminals.
(@ least I interpreted them that way)

It was a bit long and in reality is a "chick flick" ...but....

spoiler alert

The shooting scenes near the end had me cheering, I loved the "I want my dog back" line.

it had quite a few technical mistakes, such as not realizing someone who had shot a gun 3 times without hearing protection could hear a cell phone immediatley (SIC) after.

& that the detective would allow "a flesh wound" to let JF's character get away is laughable.

So imo it's an ok movie that (almost) illustrates how difficult it is to be able to defend yourself in NYC, as a native NY'er I cringed when I saw them walking in a park after dark.

 

[VirgilCaine]

I thought he was frustrated by the ineffectiveness of the sap in that scene, whereas when he hit the mugger he was surprised it was that easy.

Once he shoots the first mugger, then he's sickened by what he's done.
Just my two cents.

Basically, this remake of Death Wish has one important part: She could ID the BGs, but doesn't.

The original had Paul Kersey get randomly attacked by the same three muggers who killed his wife and raped his daughter, who he then shot in self defense, having no idea who they were.

 

[RPCVYemen]

such as not realizing someone who had shot a gun 3 times without hearing protection could hear a cell phone immediately after.

That cracks me up - I was thinking the same thing.

Mike

 

[RPCVYemen]

That is a great rate, better than most states. NYC's rate at 6.6 is actually admirable, given that it is better than several states and far lower than, for example, Chicago and Philadelphia.

I was surprised. Among the really big cities in the US, NYC is remarkably safe. I had no idea San Diego was as big as it is. My mom remembers it as really nice place (in the early 50's - I am a Navy brat).

With regard to missing the quote - I suspect that was a memory issue not a hearing issue.

It surprise me that some big cities in states I assume to be "shall issue" haver murder rates that are a multiple of NYC (looking at Huston, Phoenix and Dallas). I would have never guesses that NYC would have a much lower murder rate than Milwaukee. I wonder why Honolulu is so safe? It pretty much sticks out.

Thanks for the info.

Mike

 

[gunsmith]

NYC cooks the books

I would have never guesses that NYC would have a much lower murder rate than Milwaukee

Crime just plain goes unreported or they manage to hide it somehow.

 

[ronwill]

Since I don't believe she should benefit from a movie that clearly goes against her beliefs, and this is a testament of her character, I will not see it.

 

[seeker_two]

IIRC, she uses a Kahr in the movie.....

Kahr should sue the studio that put this out for defamation of character...

 

[ctdonath]

Some wag noted that most horror movies would be cut well short if someone had a 12 gauge and the sense to use it.

Sounds (haven't seen it, but read plenty of reviews) like this movie is pretty much the same: if set in the countryside of an RKBA-friendly state, there really wouldn't be a story.

The story only works because of oppressive gun control being the norm in some areas, and the subsequent drama of someone "good" having to become a criminal to do what she should have been able to do in the first place: shoot back.

 

[RPCVYemen]

Kahr should sue the studio that put this out for defamation of character...

I would bet that Kahr paid a pretty penny to make sure that she used a Kahr. It's called "product placement,"

Mike

 

[RPCVYemen]

Sounds (haven't seen it, but read plenty of reviews) like this movie is pretty much the same: if set in the countryside of an RKBA-friendly state, there really wouldn't be a story.

Don't the surprising (to me) stats we talked about earlier tell a different story? Some of the cities in "shall issue" states have murder rate more than twice that of NYC. At least per capita, you are more than twice as likely to be murdered in Dallas than in NYC. Missouri is "shall issue", and you're about four times as likely to be murdered in Kansas City than in NYC.

About the only difference an RKBA would have made would have been in the scene in the gun shop.

Mike

 

[damien]

NYC's murder rate was over 20 per 100,000 per year in the early 90s. Giuliani's second claim to fame is that he was able to get it down dramatically.

Wikipedia's explanation of this progress is:

Crime in New York City spiked in the 1980s, as the crack epidemic hit New York City, and peaked in 1990,[7], the first year of Mayor David Dinkins' administration (1990-1993). Under Dinkins, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (1994-2001), and Mayor Michael Bloomberg (2002-present), crime dropped dramatically. Although many commentators (and proponents of Giuliani's presidential bid) have suggested that the New York City Police Department's adoption of CompStat, broken windows policing, and other strategies during the administration of Rudolph Giuliani were at least partially responsible for the drop in crime, independent statistical studies[8][9] have found that these initiatives had no measurable impact on New York City's crime rate. These studies found that the dramatic reduction in crime was strongly correlated with the increases in the number of police officers that started under Mayor Dinkins and continued through the Bloomberg administration.

As of 2005, New York City has the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[10] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by 75% in the last twelve years and the murder rate in 2005 was at its lowest level since 1963: there were 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2262 murders in 1990. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime (with about the same crime rate as Boise, Idaho).[11]

In 2006, as part of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gun control efforts, the city approved new legislation regulating handgun possession and sales. The new laws established a gun offender registry, required city gun dealers to inspect their inventories and file reports to the police twice a year, and limited individual handgun purchases to once every 90 days. The regulations also banned the use and sale of kits used to paint guns in bright or fluorescent colors, on the grounds that such kits could be used to disguise real guns as toys.

In July 2007, the city plans to install an extensive web of cameras and roadblocks designed to detect, track and deter terrorists called Lower Manhattan Security Initiative, which is similar to the City of London's "ring of steel". [12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

It is my opinion that getting more police on the street and making laws that are tougher on criminals were the two primary factors that lead to this decrease in the crime rate in NYC.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Some of the cities in "shall issue" states have murder rate more than twice that of NYC. At least per capita, you are more than twice as likely to be murdered in Dallas than in NYC. Missouri is "shall issue", and you're about four times as likely to be murdered in Kansas City than in NYC.

For one, murder rate and violent crime rate are NOT the same. Britain's firearm homicide rate did drop after the ban. Overall violent crime, however, skyrocketed.

One should consider all aspects before calling one place safer than the other. You don't have to be killed to be a victim. I'm not suggesting that NYC has a higher crime rate than KC-Kansas city has been one of the more dangerous places int eh US for a long time. All I'm saying is that a place with half the homicides but twice the rapes and aggravated assaults isn't really safer.

 

[gunsmith]

My personal experience with the fabled drop in NYC crime

I was standing on the corner of St Marks and 2nd, in front of the news stand
and out of nowhere a guy punches me in the adams apple!
Sucker punched me and then walked away, I recovered , followed him
and got the police on him.
He told the police I was panhandling (as if that is a good enough reason, even though I wasn't)
The police accused me of being a "bum, always bothering people, I see you all the time"
I then produced my airline tickets which proved I had spent the darn summer in Seattle and had got back the night before!:banghead:
They threatened to arrest ME! unless I left because "we don't have crime here"

So, in essence, good luck having a report taken in some neighborhoods, many people never report crime because it's no use anyway.
Report a car breakin for instance and your likely to be told you shouldn't have a car anyway.

NYC the place where crime don't exist because you'll get arrested if you report it

Anyway, back on topic...I WANT MY DOG BACK!