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The ideal rifle: 20-40-7

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Newtosavage, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Newtosavage

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    Maybe it's my lifelong relationship with my pre-64 Winchester 30-30. Maybe it's just that I like light, handy, well balanced and quick pointing hunting rifles. Either way, I've come to the conclusion over the past 35 years that the ideal walking hunting rifle has a 20" barrel, is 40" overall length and weighs 7 lbs.

    Anytime I drift away from those numbers, I seem to always eventually come back home.

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  2. Art Eatman

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    I've long been very pleased with my 1971 vintage L-579 Sako Forester carbine. 19". Leupold Vari-X2 2-7. Seven pounds, fully loaded to hunt. :)
     
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  3. troy fairweather

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    my dress size is 24-43-7.5
     
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  4. Newtosavage

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    That's pretty close to my Tikka T3 7mm-08. It's 23-42-7
     
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  5. troy fairweather

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    that's what my browning A-bolt in 7wsm is, that's a good gun for walking and shoulders nice to. i like my early german 98 sportster done in germany. there 24-43-6.5

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  6. LoonWulf
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    Those look like good numbers!

    Tho not really my numbers lol.
    I dont care for barrels shorter than 22", and really dislike short stocks, so most of my rifle are longer.

    I grew up brush and mangrove hunting with a 700bdl in 06, then a savage 110 in 7mag. Thats probably why i like (or at least am more comfortable with) longer guns.

    Ive got a couple guns with 20" tubes, and even tho they are handier, i still usually take a longer heavier gun.

    I really want a 336 with a short magazine and 22" barrel....perferably in .338 marlin.
    Edit: i guess those would actually be 1895s
     
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  7. GooseGestapo

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    Perhaps my favorite rifle, a Remington Model 7, in 7mm08 fits those parameters.
    It has a 20”bbl, is approximately 40”long, and weighs 7lbs with a Leupold VariX III 2.5-8x scope. For the lower 48, it’ll do everything.
    Though it’s not a “tack driver”, it’s a very “LUCKY” rifle, accounting for far more than it’s fair share of big game.
     
  8. Hokkmike

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    Something really handy about my first .32 Winny Model 94 but I like those bolt actions. I like carbine sized or lighter rifles. Right now my SAKO Finnlight in PENNSYLVANIA'S BEST DEER ROUND (there - I said it) ,the 6.5x55, is my darling.
     
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  9. Varminterror

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    Horses for Courses.

    For a hunting AR, I like a 20” barrel which ends up something like 40” overall with the brake and stock extended. More than 7lbs, for sure, as I like extra barrel weight to steady my muzzle on target. I usually buy “National Match” or DCM type profiles - heavy under the handguard, but .750” gas block and muzzles, nominal, naturally.

    For a deer hunting bolt gun, I generally pick something in 243win to 7-08 in a short action, or 30-06 or 7 Rem mag in a long action, as I might be shooting 50 or 500yrds... so I typically then haul out a 24” barrel. Really, the same for elk, favoring the long action, heavier hitters, naturally. Also not weighing 7lbs, usually 9lbs+ with the optic.

    For colony varmints, I like a 24-26” tube, which I carry very little, and typically tops 15lbs.

    For shorter range deer, I prefer a handgun, but for a rifle, I put together a 10.5” 6.8SPC SBR-15. Whole thing is about 37” long, suppressed, suppose it’s around 9lbs, but would have to weigh it to be sure.
     
  10. Newtosavage

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    I'll take lucky over accurate any day! Same could be said for my old Winchester - offering 1.5-2" groups at the range but it has literally hundreds of pigs and deer to it's credit in the field over the past 35 years.

    I try to remember that whenever I'm setting up a hunting rifle. Who doesn't want to see tiny little groups at the range? Especially if you hand load. But for all practical purposes, once a hunting rifle is in the 1.5 MOA or better range (some would even say 2 MOA), then other features become just as important if not moreso. How quickly a hunting rifle comes to point, and how the sights/optics align at that moment, are of high value to me.

    Case in point - I've never owned a more capable overall hunting rifle, or a more accurate one, than my stainless Tikka T3 7mm-08. It's capable of shooting 162-grain bullets launched at over 2650 fps. into tiny little groups as far as I can see. But it's not a rifle I would take into the brush or try to shoot from awkward positions like I would the one above, or my beloved Winchester. Given the right rest and a little bit of time though, and I'll take the Tikka. Like was said, horses for courses.
     
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  11. jmr40

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    That's not a bad place to be. I can be just as happy with a 22" barrel and up to 7.5 lbs if it balances right. But much lighter than 7 lbs and much shorter than 20" is too much of a good thing in my opinion. Much over 7.5 lbs and the negatives offset the positives for me.
     
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  12. Paul7

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    It might be easier to carry, but you'll shoot a heavier rifle better. Some gun rag did a study and found shooters shot (offhand, in real life hunting situations) 35% better with a heavier rifle. I know of people who do walk miles in their hunts but still carry a heavier rifle for that reason. My perfect rifle is a Sako Finnbear '69 .30-'06 with 24" barrel, but then I don't walk much hunting.
     
  13. troy fairweather

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    my 1909 argentine in 7x57AI with it's 24 inch douglas barrel, and a 3-9x40 is in the nine pound mark. grate of hand shooter, a tack driver on the bench.
    [​IMG] [​IMG] but my cz is very nice to carry and shoot.
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