The illegal-alien crime wave

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Standing Wolf, you idea of the States enforcing Federal employer immigration sanctions has some merit up to a point.

Right now we have many political jurisdictions such as NYC that refuse to cooperate with the Feds regarding illegal aliens. I do not not know if there are any States that are like NYC, but you can expect there will be.

Maybe in those States the Feds can concentrate their resouces.

But the business community would fight your plan like a house afire.
 
When provoked the Khan killed everyone in sight and sometimes built a mountain out of their skulls.
 
When provoked the Khan killed everyone in sight and sometimes built a mountain out of their skulls.
Yes, but we're a "Kinder, Gentler" sort of people and the world loves us because of it... right?
Yeah, right. We may be a little pushy now and then... OK just about all of the time... except when it comes to potential voters from across the border...
"UNDOCUMENTED WORKER... COME ON DOWN!"
Not illegal alien, no, no, no. Not drug dealing cholo gansta neither.
Our last President could "Feel their Pain"
Our current President... sigh... I really don't know what to think anymore.
In order to deal with the problem we'd need to quadruple the INS division... and who's going to pay for that? And even then, we'd have more people on the payroll doing what, exactly? Arresting unorganized militia members who are carrying weapons on Federal turf (remember, its THEIR LAND, not our land).
Maybe just build a wall around NYC and LA/San Diego and ask Snake Plisskin what to do
 
give something OTHER than "love" a chance

And, ironically enough, kinder and gentler though we be, the world doesn't "love" us at all. In fact they seem to detest us while at the time expecting yet more from us, indeed demanding it This was in clear evidence at the Summit of the Americas. We are damned for meddling, damned for not doing enough. Damned really for just being--and being good at what we are.

I now call Bush The Compassionator. Does a speech go by when we don't hear the word "compassion" from him two, three, four times? Everything seems to revolve around The Great God Compassion, or the appearance thereof.

You'd think in some bizarre way we were back in the '60s when all you needed was love, right? Even families aren't built entirely on love. Society, cultures, nations, and realpolitik certainly aren't. I think way too many Americans are suffering from a protracted adolescence, not to mention addictive neediness.
 
...the world doesn't "love" us at all. In fact they seem to detest us while at the time expecting yet more from us, indeed demanding it This was in clear evidence at the Summit of the Americas. We are damned for meddling, damned for not doing enough. Damned really for just being--and being good at what we are.

And this distinguishes yours from which country? :)

Everyone is in a damned-if-you-do/don't situation whenever they involve themselves abroad. The US just involves itself more frequently than most, and for good reason:

America's wealth is significantly based on what it can sell abroad, and protecting its profitable dominance of those markets has always been a cornerstone of your foreign policy. You can't reap the benefits vicariously; without active some involvement --and its incorrect to dissociate self-interest from such involvements, no matter how much they help others.

Some people hate the US out of envy, and some out of real hurt suffered at US hands --but still there's no rational claim that the US doesn't fairly try to address (and above all avoid to incite) valid grievances. That leaves just the real hatemongers, then.

But you do have allies, and you do have friends.
Last time I checked, friends could weigh in with cautionary or even contrary advice, and quite a few have, discreetly.

I would agree that loud, publicly voiced dissent, long before any private consultation, does not befit friendship or alliance. Nor does trying to elbow in for a slice of the dearly-bought spoils after zero investment of either blood, sweat or courage.
 
horge,

I'm glad to hear the U.S. has friends abroad. I never doubted there were a few out there. :)

The point is, the world's not about friendship or love but mutual self-interest, at least when it comes to economics. I think our think starts to get foggy when we begin to see the world through some kind of "Christian" haze. Compassion is not what made the U.S. wealthy, nor does it sustain America's wealth. Freedom and equal opportunity and education and respect for law are the magic ingredients of our success. These are the virtues of the Enlightenment, not of ancient tribes and mystical wisdom.
 
Quite a read. I like your idea, Langenator.


It sickens me to know that all this is going on with the consent of our government. And those within our government support it, as well as some state officals. I miss the days when such actions would have merited treason charges, and the appropriate punishment.:fire:
 
There is no need whatsoever to deport these people. If the states would simply place those they arrest for other violations on one-way flights to Dulles International Airport, illegal immigration would be stopped within a few weeks.
 
An update - from the Los Angeles Times (http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publishe...:71217718&topicId=14195&start=1&topics=single):


January 19, 2004

'Sanctuary' Laws Stand in Justice's Way; Why shouldn't the police arrest dangerous illegal aliens on sight?

Heather Mac Donald

Heather Mac Donald is the author of "Are Cops Racist?" (Ivan R. Dee, 2003) and a contributing editor to the Manhattan Institute's City Journal, from whose Winter 2004 issue this is adapted.


Some of the most dangerous thugs preying on immigrant communities in Los Angeles are in this country illegally. Yet the Los Angeles Police Department cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status.

Dozens of gang members from Mara Salvatrucha, a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang, for example, have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country after deportation is a felony. Yet if an LAPD officer arrests an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is the officer who will be treated as a criminal for violating an LAPD rule.

That rule, Special Order 40, prohibits officers from questioning or apprehending someone only for an immigration violation or from notifying the immigration service (now known as Immigration and Customs Enforcement) about an illegal alien. Only if the person has been booked for a nonimmigration felony or multiple misdemeanors may officers even inquire about his immigration status.

Such "sanctuary" rules, replicated in cities with a high number of immigrants, are a testament to the political power of immigrant lobbies. "We can't even talk about" illegal alien crime, a frustrated LAPD captain said. "People are afraid of a backlash from Hispanics."

Police commanders may not want to discuss the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling: 95% of all outstanding warrants for homicide in Los Angeles (which total more than 1,200) are for illegal aliens, according to officers. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (which total 17,000) are for illegal aliens. The leadership of the Columbia Li'l Cycos gang, which has used murder and racketeering to control the drug market around MacArthur Park, was about 60% illegal aliens in 2002, says a former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted them in 2002.

Good luck finding any reference to such facts in "official" crime analysis. The LAPD and the Los Angeles city attorney recently obtained a preliminary injunction against drug trafficking in Hollywood. The injunction targets the 18th Street gang and, as the press release puts it, "non-gang members" who sell drugs in Hollywood on behalf of the gang.

Those nongang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled in by the gang. Cops and prosecutors say that they know the immigration status of these nongang "Hollywood dealers," as the city attorney calls them, but the gang injunction is silent on that aspect. If an officer were to arrest a dealer for his immigration status, or even notify immigration authorities, he would face discipline for violation of Special Order 40.

Likewise, although LAPD officers recognize previously deported gang members all the time, they can't touch a deported felon unless he has given them some other reason to stop him. Even then, an officer can arrest him only for the offense not related to immigration. Yet a deported gangbanger who reenters the country is already committing a federal felony -- punishable by up to 20 years.

The city's ban on enforcing immigration crimes puts the community at risk by stripping the police of what may be their only immediate tool to remove a criminal from circulation. Trying to build a case for homicide, say, against an illegal alien gang member is often futile because witnesses fear retaliation. Enforcing an immigration crime would allow the cops to lock up the murderer right now, without putting a witness at risk.

The department's top brass brush off such concerns. No big deal if you see deported gangbangers back on the streets, they say. Just put them under surveillance for "real" crimes and arrest them for those. But surveillance is manpower-intensive. Where there is an immediate ground for arresting a violent felon, it is absurd to demand that the understaffed LAPD ignore it.

The stated reason for sanctuary policies is to encourage crime victims and witnesses who are illegal aliens to cooperate with the police without fear of deportation. This theory has never been tested. In any case, the official rationale could be honored by limiting police use of immigration laws to some subset of violators: say, deported felons whose immigration status police know.

The biggest myth about sanctuary laws is that they are immigrant-friendly. To the contrary: They leave law-abiding immigrants vulnerable to violence. Nor will it do to say that immigration enforcement is solely a federal responsibility. When it comes to fighting terrorism, the LAPD understands that it cannot rely on the feds alone to protect Los Angeles. Similarly, the department should not wait for a few of the 2,000-odd immigration agents, stretched to the breaking point nationwide, to show up and apprehend felons who are terrorizing neighborhoods.
 
Gee, Bush and Klinton had something in common: they both let thousands of illegal immigrants into the country in hopes of getting votes. Don't forget that in the first year of Klinton's presidency immigration nearly quadrupled and that the administration put pressure on INS to rush people through the process so that they could pick up their Democratic Party voter's card. Oh yeah, nearly 80,000 of those immigrants were felons in Mexico, but were let in anyway so that the Dems could get more votes. Check worldnetdaily archives for the story.
 
here in Los Angeles

The Special Order 40 issue is starting to get a lot of heat, with more than one talk radio honcho hammering on it. The politicians, predictably, are trying their hardest to stonewall, but I don't think they're going to succeed given how utterly scandalous this non-enforcement reality is. I believe that more and more people are beginning to get beyond the "they're just here to work" mantra and tuning into the less palatable aspects of the illegal alien invasion. Government, if it persists in this folly, is going to end with a revolt on its hands. People are not going to just quietly take this no matter how many high and mighty see this as expedient and useful.

Clinton and Bush are both to be faulted on this issue. Doris Meissner, who head the INS under Clinton, is now working for the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, I understand, where she can further her desires to gut America.
 
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