The NFA community as part of the larger firearms community ...

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What percentage, roughly, would you figure of the overall gun-owning public also are owners of NFA-regulated items (machine-guns, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, and silencers)? I realize it would be difficult to know with any real accuracy, but I thought I'd toss it out there for consideration.

Personally, I have been involved with said for a while. For a long time now it seems to have been a small microcosm of the shooting world, but it seems to have become more mainstream in recent memory. I have no doubt it is still the minority in the shooting world though.

Anyway I am just curious if anyone would hazard a guess.

P.S. No this isn't purely random. The impending 41P business has got me to thinking about how many folks this will impacted by the regulatory change.
 
I'd venture a guess it's less than one percent. So if you have between 100 to 150 million gun owners in the US, I'd bet less than a million have NFA stuff. I personally don't and don't know anybody else who does, simply because I don't want to hassle with the taxes, registration, wait times, paper work, travel restrictions, etc. I prefer to have plausible deniability of what I may or may not own. ;)
 
I would also say less than 1%. Thought about years ago but decided I didn't wan't to be bothered by all of hassle involved with it. Besides I burn through enough ammo every month in semi-auto mode to be able to afford feeding a full auto diet.
 
Look at the news articles that were recently out about the most armed States. The idiots in the media used ATF NFA registration stats believing those represented firearms. Even so, there were well over a million NFA items in just the top ten states that they listed. So that number is probably an order of magnitude higher for all the States. So around 10 million including all NFA items

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/
 
I would like to know how many silencers were sold last year. And how many owners of silencers own more than just one? Have silencers become almost mainstream? I think so. More states have passed laws allowing hunting with them and most of the states already allow possession of them.

I think the percentage could be higher than 1 %. Does anyone know what NFA items are the most popular? I'm thinking silencers.

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I would agree with the less than 1% on everything other than silencers. They are becoming much more common and most states don't have many if any special restrictions on them. But then again the % (NFA owners/total gun owners) could be low because a lot of NFA owners have multiple (I own 6 silencers for example) eating into Pushrod's 10 million estimate of total NFA items. It seems like the barrier is the pain to get started (set up a trust, figure out the paperwork flow, etc), but once you cross that you end up owning multiples.
 
It's small but quickly growing as word continues to spread how easy it is to form a trust and not have to go through the LEO/fingerprint stuff for every new toy. Dispelling myths like in #3.
 
A very large number of the items in the NFA Registry are expendable munitions (such as flash-bangs) held by police agencies. This skews the statistics considerably. (Non-federal agencies have to register such items, even though the registration is free.)

The recent popularity of suppressors and short-barreled rifles also inflates the numbers.

Machine gun owners represent a small fraction of 1% of gun owners. That's why they have so little clout in the gun world. Wayne LaPierre, in Congressional testimony after the Sandy Hook shootings, said with a straight face that full-automatic weapons were already illegal. The NRA is perfectly prepared to throw MG owners under the bus, if it serves its purposes. Witness what happened with the 1986 FOPA and the Hughes Amendment.
 
Suppressor sales have jumped up as have SBR filings so there may be more than some folks think, but the percentage will be small. None the less they are a valuable segment of the community helping to demonstrate the responsible nature of firearms owners.
 
I don't think it's as low as <1% anymore with the popularity of AR SBRs and especially suppressors, but still pretty small. There has been a huge jump in the number of NFA weapons processed each year since about 2008, though, 2014 seeing almost 10 times as many as 2005 (1,383,677 vs. 147,484). Unfortunately, we cannot use the registry information available to us for any reasonable guess, since most people who venture that way don't stop at one NFA critter.

I'd guess between 2% & 3%
 
Years and years ago I chanced on a FBI site that reported the number of MG in private hands in 5 or 6 southwestern states was over 750,000 guns. But as far as percentage goes they are a small group of owners.
 
The NFA world is expanding in some ways and contracting in others. Cans,SBRs & AOWs are gaining popular currency. Heck, even here in IL one can acquire an AOW, DD or SBR. The chicken bone in the throat is the rotten Hughes Amdt that has made full auto a rich man's game. I guess if we get the right person in the White House on this go we might have a real shot at getting that onerous malarky repealed and even see some common sense reforms--like de-NFAing silencers (for a start). I am myself curious about how much un-papered NFA stuff is floating around, regardless of the heavy legal penalties that might be incurred for engaging in such an unlawful activity.
 
Considering the number of shops that started selling silencers in my area, I'm sure it's higher than 1%.
 
When $200 was real money it was rare to see anything NFA. When to the gun shop and range today and they had 15 different kinds of SBR's for sale and a whole pile of cans. Half the people shooting had an SBR or rented full auto and a few had silencers. It was good to see.

One thing is ( very arguably ) for sure and thats that NFA owners are the most responsible of gun owners by a wide margin. That $200 tax and the paperwork requirements turns it into an exclusive club of people who really want to retain their firearms rights. If you wanted to point out a gun control program that is effective at curtailing "gun violence" you really dont have to look further than the registry. I know some people find it an unconstitutional violation of their rights and to be sure its a stupidly slow and inefficient gov't bureaucracy but the facts are pretty clear. NFA owners are the most responsible of all gun owners.
 
I find it humorous how much machineguns come up in an NFA discussion, because that's a small niche within a small niche within the larger firearms community. As Yugorpk said, "when 200$ was real money it was rare to see anything NFA." Well, when a clap-trap MAC pistol with no practical use but noisemaker runs over five grand & there's fewer left every year, well...

I think the real reason NFA is booming (especially for SBRs, which, let's face it, is a pretty poor use of 200$ from a pure cost/benefit viewpoint), is because the trust system has circumvented the intended practically unusable nature of the possession rules. Now that it is possible to get the whole family their access to your gun without a weekend trip to the sheriff's office to get printed like criminals (Yippee! My favorite!), and others can be added/removed from that access at any time without consultation of the Bureau, the 200$ and months-long wait can be tolerated more often.

The reason I think this is the real reason for the boom, is because the administration is so hell-bent on putting a stop to it with 41p. If you have to get everyone printed, everytime you submit a stamp application, and have to get prints for every new person you give access, things get both complicated and expensive (and impossible, in no-sign jurisdictions). The administration sees how silencers are getting mainstreamed, as well as SBRs, and are desperately trying to head us off at the pass.

"The chicken bone in the throat is the rotten Hughes Amdt that has made full auto a rich man's game"
Import bans on cheap ammo 'helped.' I wouldn't even use a MG if I owned one, at this point; it'd be like a birthday and New Years thing, and that'd be it.

"The NRA is perfectly prepared to throw MG owners under the bus, if it serves its purposes. Witness what happened with the 1986 FOPA and the Hughes Amendment."
Well, at this point, MG owners are basically already under the bus (and any further widespread action against them will disproportionately affect very well-heeled doctors & lawyers, so much like Cayman Islands tax loopholes, the status quo is probably pretty stable at this time) so it honestly doesn't cost them very much for the NRA to say such things; that ship has sailed. And as bad as FOPA was, it's like you said, that it happened because MG owners have no representation. There's only so much you can do for a tiny group like that when a majority or near-majority goes on the warpath, and your resources are finite. The NRA did the right thing at the time, their failing is that they have not worked to reverse that tactical retreat since their rise back to prominence. At some level, the NRA is still a 'sporting' association, and MG's --due solely to their rarity-- are not viewed by hardly anyone as a sporting weapon (not even many MG owners). Hopefully, the normalization of silencers, SBRs, and the new resurgence of SMGs (PCCs) will get machineguns back in the mix, with reality shows about subgun competitions leading the way.

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