The unspoken issue just beneath the surface...

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Mao was right- power does come from the barrel of a gun. There are times when, if somebody refuses to listen to reason and has their heart set on mayhem, it is necessary to use that power to compel that person to chill out (figuratively OR literally).

Politicians who understand that the power rests with the people will have no problems with allowing the people the tools of power.

Politicians who think that the power rests in their own offices for the purposes of compelling others to act in certain ways are going to seek to remove the tools of power from others.

If a politician is afraid of my guns, I am afraid of whatever power trip in which that politician might indulge.
 
CAS700850 said exactly what I was thinking. Here is one more thing:

This court told us that Congress cannot rule that you can't have a gun a thousand feet or a thousand yards, whatever it is, from a school.

Did you notice that she doesn't even know what the magic "safe" distance is? I suspect that's because deep in her heart she knows the law is symbolic anyway. The problem isn't proximity to schools, the problem is people who are willing to violate ANY law to kill other people.
 
If a politician is afraid of my guns, I am afraid of whatever power trip in which that politician might indulge.

Yep. As far as I'm concerned, a.) there should be no class of professional politicians in the first place, and b.) office holders who fail to respect the right of the people to keep and bear arms should be summarily kicked out of office.
 
Just heard on NPR: Sen. Kennedy was asked why he has concerns with Supreme Court nominee Alito and he starts to list issues. Issue number #2 is the fact that Alito said that Congress has no Consitutional powers to outlaw machineguns. Kennedy, of course, says this like it Alito's opinion is an abomination.

It is amazing how politicians like Kennedy and Fienstein think. It is basically like this: "You want to limit our power? You are insane! We should have the power to do whatever we want, because we know what is best."

These people are tyrants, pure and simple.
 
L. Neil Smith is a staunch Libertarian and therefore gets a lot of flak fron both Dems and Repubs. But he wrote a piece called, "Why Guns" about this very subject. I'm sure many of us here are familiar with it but those who aren't should try to find it. The gist of it is that we should vote according to the way a candidate feels about guns... nothing else. His arguement is good and well worth thinking about.
 
Here's "El Neil's" article in full, taken from http://www.lneilsmith.com/whyguns.html:
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Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

by L. Neil Smith
[email protected]

Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?
 
dolanp said:
Maybe Feinswine ought to read the Constitution some time and realize that she, in fact, does not have the power to legislate anything and everything down to the local government level. Damn politicians! They never get it, no wonder this country is going down the toilet.

The idiots that elect her and the others with her beliefs need also to read the Constitution. Politicians are a direct reflection of the voters that elected them.:barf:
 
Hellstatic said:
I was listening to that this morning and thought it was a good segment. I still don't see how Feinstein thinks possessing a gun near by a school has anything to do with interstate commerce.
She doesn't think it has anything to do with it. The point is that she doesn't care what the Constitution says, and she wants a SCOTUS justice who cares as little as she does. That's why leftists don't want a strict constructionist or an originalist on the SCOTUS. They don't want anyone who would allow the actual words of the Constitution to get in the way of forcing leftist government on an unwilling people.

P.S. from the criticism on the left, I have gathered that the new nominee is opposed to using the commerce clause to justify federal regulation of firearms, including full autos. Apparently he once argued in a dissent that the Federal Government lacked the Constitutional authority to regulate private ownership of fully auto firearms, or any firearms whatever.
 
El Tejon said:
The Commerce Clause is the big hammer of socialism, the authority by which Congress legislates every aspect of our lives, including your toilet (no, I'm not kidding).

The Supreme Court in the '30s (immediately reverseing themselves when they struck down the NRA as unconstitutional) used the commerce clause to rewrite the Constitution into a charter of unlimited government and thus created the Anti-Constitution that the Left must defend as it is their path to socialism. The path to socialism is lit by the judiciary that they control.
Absolutely correct.
 
waterhouse said:
I saw the clip of her speech. She followed the above segment with "Do we want guns within a thousand feet of schools? I mean, no one wants another Columbine."

Sure thing lady. A "no guns" rule would have prevented columbine.

Quote from a random site on Columbine...

"Klebold and Harris wanted to kill hundreds. They had 48 carbon dioxide bombs, 27 pipe bombs, and 11 1.5-gallon propane containers, as well as 40-plus gallons of flammable liquid and two duffel bags containing 20-pound liquefied-petroleum gas tanks.
Each of their cars contained, two 20-pound propane tanks, another 20 gallons of gas, pipe bombs, clocks and other combustible liquids."

In a way, we should be thankful the Columbine attackers had access to guns (legal or otherwise). Obviously, they COULD have killed many more kids, if they started with their bombs; mostly made from items readily available for purchase. If you point this out, the "opposition" will probably start restricting C02 canisters, propane tanks, etc. but, the point is, guns are still harder to use than a bomb. Veering off-topic... Why do you think our soldiers are being killed by bombers?

Anyway, most people are clueless that you can kill more people with a propane tank than a fully loaded revolver or shotgun. Depending on your preparation, skill, etc, you may be a more effective killer with that tank than with a full-on on "evil black gun".

Found another link, from CNN, estimating that most of those in the cafeteria (holds 488) would have been killed or critically injured from the propane bombs, if they had gone off.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/BOMBS_TEXT.htm

I live in NJ, which is hell for a shooter anyway. But I'd like to ask if this law deprives an otherwise lawful gun-owner of the right to own a gun, and defend themselves, if they live within 1000 feet of a school; I haven't been keeping up. (sorry- I know I should)
 
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