Think I finally found the load for my Garand

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I've Been trying for a while to find the "sweet spot" for my 5.8mil Garand. It's a pretty decent FG from CMP that always shot the HXP pretty well, but I began trying various hand loads without much improvement until our last outing. I had been loading 150 fmjbt's varying from 44gr - 46.5gr of IMR4895. The results varied from a bit wider pattern to a slightly improved group. I then loaded 24 -3enbloc clips- with 168 SMK w/47gr of IMR 4895. This seemed a little bit hot too me, but Garand shooters at my club assured me it would be OK. The results were surprising, my groups showed a definite improvement in the groups at 50 & 100 yes, even with a so-so shot like myself.
My question:
Does anyone else have experience shooting this load in their Garands? Anyone's thoughts appreciated.
 
Somewhere in my files is a Xerox copy of a vintage article from the American Rifleman entitled "Handloading for service rifles". I'm thinking 1970's era, when the Garand was still widely used in serious highpower competition. Anyway, one of the loads that they recommended was 47.5 grs. of IMR-4895 with the 168 HPBT.

I used that load for years with good results until I switched to Varget recently. I agree its pretty hot, and 47.0 might be a better idea. At any rate, it won't damage your rifle.

I had my Garand rebarrelled several years ago and ran a ladder test with 4895 and the 168's to see what the new barrel liked. My loads (speaking from memory, something like 44.0 to 48.0 grains in the spread) all clustered in the same group with no vertical stringing. Which told me it might not matter much if you adjust the charge a grain or two.

Laphroaig
 
I am not a competition shooter. I am a casual plinker and I reload for my M1. Early on, I was told that 49 gr of IMR 4895 was a good load. So I started below that weight and stopped at 47 gr. with a 150 fmj bullet. My gun cycles good and I stay on paper. I didn't try to re-invent the wheel...I just listened to the reloaders with experience. I love shooting the M1 and I don't want to do any damage. With this load it feeds, shoots,ejects. I'm happy.

I know that for some guys the fun of reloading is...trying new stuff. I hope you find the "sweet spot"!

Mark
 
I have been using IMR4895 for years in the M1 Garand. I thinks it's one of the best powders for the gun. The Greek ammo from the CMP isn't that hard to improve on. It shoots good but it's not that great. I chronographed a bunch of it and it varied up to 300 FPS.
I typically use around 48 gr. of 4895 with a SMK bullet.
 
Does anyone have any good load for the M1 with Varget? What do I need to keep it under (safe load) with the Varget?

I've done some up but accuracy isn't what I'd call good. Of course that's at 100 yards with irons and I'm terrible with open sights.
 
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Ball read this for your max fps
A new cartridge was developed in 1938 that was essentially a duplicate of the old M1906 round, but loaded with IMR 4895 propellant and a new flat-based bullet that had gilding metal jacket and a different lead alloy and weighed 152 grains (9.8 g) instead of 150 grains (9.7 g). This 1938 pattern cartridge, the Cartridge, Caliber .30, Ball, M2 achieved a muzzle velocity of 2,805 ft/s (855 m/s) and muzzle energy of 2,655 ft·lbf (3,600 J). Its maximum range was approximately 3,450 yd (3,150 m).[8]
 
Does anyone have any good load for the M1 with Varget?

I think that anyone who has shot the Hornady Garand ammo (168 gr. Amax) has to agree that it is some sweet shooting stuff. I believe it is loaded with 46.5 grs. Varget. So that's what I use with 168 HPBT's and Amax's. Garands and 1903's too. I like it :)

Laphroaig
 
I have been using a load of 168 Match bullet, 47.0 grains IMR 4895 (or AA2495) with a mil spec primer for decades now. Annually I shoot in a 100 yard reduced Highpower club match with my match Garand and this load performs outstandingly every year. All these 20 shot targets were fired prone, using my Garand, with a sling at 100 yards in club matches.


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200 yards, prone with sling, twenty shots for record, on old 5 V target.

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SLam

That's some good shooting from a prone position.
That is one beautiful Garand. Is that a Boyd's stock?
 
That is one beautiful Garand. Is that a Boyd's stock?

Yes, though I think Boyd's could have done better because the pistol grip is a bit rounded at the end. I want a square and longer grip for shooting.

This stock survived an out of battery slamfire.

At the time, when I was getting into Across the Course Highpower, and had built up a National Match Garand, conventional wisdom was “only high primers” and “your worn out receiver bridge” caused slamfires. Primer sensitivity was not even a consideration, there was no such thing as sensitive primers or primer sensitivity. Primers were all round and shiney and all the same and because Federal had stamped "Match" on their primers, these primers were in common use. I had a previous out of battery slamfire with Federal match primers in a early 30-06 Garand. It was during sitting rapid fire and it slamfired out of battery on the last round of an eight round clip. Conventional wisdom discounted primer sensitivity, I knew the receiver was excellent, so I concluded it must have been high primers. After that, and even now, I ream pockets to depth. This first slamfire split the GI birch stock from upper band through the pistol grip. It damaged the receiver, only slightly, but I replaced the receiver with a Danish and put on new wood.

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On the second out of battery slamfire, I was testing an absolutely, like new receiver on this Boyd’s laminated stock. I was using 30-06 ammunition that had been sized in a Bonanaza match die (not a small base!) the primer pockets had been reamed and every Federal Match primer was hand seated. I could see a lot of distance between the case head and the primer, therefore primers were well below the case head. (about 0.008") One thing though, the sized cases would drop in to a reamer cut gage, but an occasional loaded round would stop just at the case rim. Inserting a bullet was somehow buckling the round.

This is a 308 reamer cut gage on the right. These are once fired range pickups, fired is some huge chamber. The Wilson gage swallows the case, the reamer cut gage shows just how fat the things are.

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But, I was not worried. All the “smart guys” said the only things which cause slamfires were high primers, which I did not have, and worn out receivers, which I did not have.

Testing the new rifle, the Garand slamfired out of battery, from an eight round clip, blowing the receiver heel into my face, breaking my glasses, and cutting me. The whole event occurs faster than human perception, I remember a roar, feeling my face pushed back, after it was over I was simply stunned, not really knowing what happened. Looking down I saw blood and glass shards, I ran to my truck to look in the side mirrors to see if I still had a face.! :what: I was quite shaken.

After this I decided the “smart guys” were a combination of extreme idiots and total fools :cuss:, conventional wisdom was bunk :cuss:, and since then I have always small based sized for this action and I use the least sensitive primers which are CCI #34’s and Tula 7.62. I want cartridges to enter the chamber without the slightest hesitation due to friction, which reduces the chance of an out of battery slamfire, and I want the least sensitive primer, to reduce the chances of an in battery or out of battery slamfire. Since then I have found that these mechanisms will slamfire even with mil spec primers, but the slamfire rate is less. It comes down to, slamfires are 99.99% due to sensitive primers. The high primer idea is basically a canard, though, if you have exceptionally shallow primer pockets, or if you put spacers under your primers, you have created the condition for a firmly seated anvil, pushed into the primer cake, and then, and only then, will your high primer ignite. CCI has stated that high primers are the most common cause for misfires because in a normal primer pocket, the anvil is dangling in the air. Even so, I ream my pockets to depth for this mechanism and for gas guns in general.

This laminated stock survived. Might have been some chipped bedding at the heel, but these laminated stocks are much stronger, probably stiffer, and heavier, than conventional wood stocks. These are all good characteristics for a match rifle, which you want to be heavy to reduce recoil and stiff to reduce unpredictable vibrations. I recommend them for those wanting to build a match rifle.
 
Don't forget about IMR 4064, my particular rifle prefers an easy load of 47 gr. and the bullet seated 0.010 from the lands. It helped getting me to NRA expert with the old girl.
 
Don't forget about IMR 4064, my particular rifle prefers an easy load of 47 gr. and the bullet seated 0.010 from the lands. It helped getting me to NRA expert with the old girl.
Yes I always had great results in numerous Garands with 4064. Did your rifle feed from the clip with bullets seated like that?
 
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