Thinking of getting another AR while they are cheap

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Yeah I'm changing my answer, between the Ruger556 and the S&W MP15, get the PSA mid length with free floated rail. Lol.

You can get the PSA together for less than $500. Get a complete lower with magpul grip, Enhanced polished trigger group for around $129

Mid length 16" upper with free floated rail and 4150CMV nitrided barrel probably around $320.

That's enough of a difference in upgrades/bbl steel to matter and your price is coming in lower than either of the two you're initially looking at.

Not that it really matters as stated before, unless you plan to dump 1000rds a week in full auto, but the ruger and the smith have 4140 bbls. The PSA's have better grades of steel.

I'm not a PSA salesman by the way. I'm just very impressed with their quality to price ratio.
 
I just saw an ad for S&W M&P ARs for 450.00, that is cloer to a PSA complete lower and Bear Creek upper than they have been. I think building one will be better but the S&W name will help resale
 
I will toss in another vote for PSA. Get a complete rifle (minus rear sight and magazine) for $350 shipped.
Watch their daily deals for separate upper and lower.
I have had very good experiences with PSA, and they have lifetime warranty on their stuff. If you're just picking up a spare cuz they're cheap, then PSA freedom rifle is the way to go. I keep thinking I will buy a half dozen and give them as xmas gifts!
 
Semi auto BCG: I would have zero concerns over this. Manufacturers have been producing them for years. There are no epidemic problems or recalls. Those who want to pound their chest the hardest that they have a FA carrier typically aspire to an operator lifestyle that will never will never be attained. They wouldn't be looking at these rifles either.

not to pick nits, but you're basically talking about a part that was modified from the original spec for the sole reason that the ATF wanted to harass people who want to exercise their right to keep and bear arms. accusing people who want the original spec of being operator wannabes seems ill considered.
 
accusing people who want the original spec of being operator wannabes seems ill considered.

+1. I’ve noticed more than a few members who are rather punchy about certain issues like this. I can even understand the defensive tone after reading threads discussing necessary or better specs/companies/roll marks.

What bothers me are that unprovoked shots are taken and that all of us, I assume, own firearms. Here’s hoping all of our real world selves are more cordial.
 
Locally they had Bushmasters BOGO for 699.00, 350ea, (they sold out) not bad for a factory gun, there are SO many options.
 
The Ruger MPR does look like a nice AR.

What are thoughts on the rifle length gas system?
 
The Ruger MPR does look like a nice AR.

What are thoughts on the rifle length gas system?

That does look nice indeed. I bought my wife a rifle upper (and lower) from PSA last year and once she let me shoot it, I liked it more than my middy. Bought myself two rifle length uppers this summer, another PSA and a Radical.

None of these 3, with NiB ToolCraft BCGs and SS barrels (and one with Magpul MBUS included in price) set me back more than $512 after transfer fee.
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Just buy some bare receivers if strapped for cash. Last summer I had bare ruger lowers for $100 at my LGS.
 
If you have a Colt LE6920 with a fixed front sight tower I think I would look for an AR with a low profile front gas block and a free-floated hand guard. The Ruger 556 MPR offers that as well as a nicer trigger. With an 18 inch barrel, a rifle-length gas system makes sense.

I have three ARs. One is a PSA assembled from a generic "multi" lower with a two-stage trigger and an 18" barreled upper with a 223 Wylde chamber, a free-floated hand guard, and a rifle length gas system. Some claim a significantly reduced recoil impulse with the longer gas systems. To tell the truth, I really don't notice much difference between this AR and my other two, which are 16" barreled carbines with carbine-length gas systems. The lower that I bought had a light weight "carbine" buffer and with the longer barrel and gas system, I had some failures to feed and a forward (2 o'clock) ejection pattern that I did not like. I switched to an H1 buffer which improved things considerably. But from a wear and tear standpoint, I think there is enough evidence to suggest that the longer gas systems are better, although the difference in wear on the rifle might not become apparent until many thousands of rounds are shot.

One of my other ARs is a Colt LE6920 which was the OEM2 version with a low profile gas block, to which I added my choice of furniture and a free-floating hand guard. The third is a Ruger AR556. But I have also looked closely at the Smith and Wesson M&P15 Sport II, and I have shot a few.

The only one of these rifles I have never had a malfunction with is the Ruger. The unlined, cold hammer-forged barrel of the Ruger is slightly more accurate than the chrome-lined barrel of the Colt LE6920 with 55 grain FMJ .223 Remington or 5.56x45 ammunition. With the Ruger I typically have 5 round groups of around 1 1/2" at 100 yards off the bench whereas the Colt is usually around 1 3/4" or slightly greater. Of course, the Colt has a 1:7 twist barrel whereas the Ruger has a 1:8 twist barrel, for what that is worth.

Most of the differences between the Ruger AR556 and the M&P15 Sport II have been discussed. The Smith comes with a Magpul polymer flip-up BUIS with small and large peep apertures. The Ruger rear flip-up sight is proprietary with only one peep aperture. I like the threaded Delta ring on the Ruger quite a bit. It makes removing and reinstalling the hand guard much easier. But it can be easily over-tightened and jam on the hand guard. Use some anti-seize compound on the threads on the barrel nut, and tighten only finger tight and you will never have a problem. I have never had it loosen during shooting.

Biggest difference between these two are the barrels, the Smith barrel having a slower 1:9 twist rate and being melonited. The Smith does not use a mil-spec trigger guard like the Ruger does, Its trigger guard is an integral part of the lower receiver. The Ruger uses a proprietary front sight tower with pins over the barrel instead of under, as on mil-spec "F" sight towers. Years ago, there was an issue with the Ruger pins walking out, but this seems to have been resolved. The Ruger front sight tower does not have a permanently fixed 1 1/4" sling swivel but instead has a socket for a quick detach sling swivel, which I prefer. Both have very basic polymer furniture but the hand grip of the Ruger happened to fit my hand better than the one that comes on the Smith. The M&P15 uses an A2 style hand guard with the finger notch, which I happen to hate. On the other hand, the M&P16 Sport IIs that I have shot had somewhat better single-stage triggers than the stock Ruger AR556 trigger. Both use "mil-spec" type single-stage triggers which are nothing to write home about, however, and this tends to be one of the first things that gets swapped out on my ARs.

The Colt SP-1 bolt carrier group with the unshrouded firing pin that Ruger uses on the AR556 has been much ballyhooed. I understand the issue that can potentially occur using this BCG with a notched hammer and a large diameter collar firing pin. This is an issue which should not arise if the owner knows what they are doing. Many firing pins are available that are compatible with this BCG. The other potential issues are deformation or breakage of the firing pin retaining pin (cotter pin) or peening of the firing pin collar. I inspect these parts carefully every time I clean the AR556 and thus far have seen no evidence of either. I carry at least one firing pin retaining pin with every AR I own, regardless of the type of BCG anyway.

IMO, the M&P15 Sport II and the Ruger AR556 are much more alike than they are different. Both are solid values if you are looking for another 16" barreled carbine with a carbine-length gas system and a fixed front sight tower. The most significant difference are the barrels. I can't speak for reliability of the M&P15 but those I know who own them speak of them well. My Ruger AR556 gives up absolutely nothing to my Colt LE6920 in terms of accuracy and reliability. But if I were you, I would go with the Ruger 556 MPR over either the AR556 or M&P15 Sport II.
 
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The Colt SP-1 bolt carrier group with the unshrouded firing pin that Ruger uses on the AR556 has been much ballyhooed.
The "unshrouded" BC was not the original one used with the early SP-1's. (I have two of them that date from 1967-68 that came with shrouded semi BC's.) The change came about circa 1970, after Colt temporarily took the AR off the market due to complaints about sporadic automatic fire if the disconnector was removed. Colt's solution was the beveled ("unshrouded") bolt carrier and notched hammer, so that the gun would jam in the absence of a disconnector. The way this would work was that the notched hammer would hang up on the firing pin collar. But this required a special small-collar firing pin. If a standard firing pin was used by mistake, the gun might jam anyway even if the disconnector was in place. Later, Colt reverted to the shrouded BC and recently has even been using FA BC's.
 
The "unshrouded" BC was not the original one used with the early SP-1's. (I have two of them that date from 1967-68 that came with shrouded semi BC's.) The change came about circa 1970, after Colt temporarily took the AR off the market due to complaints about sporadic automatic fire if the disconnector was removed. Colt's solution was the beveled ("unshrouded") bolt carrier and notched hammer, so that the gun would jam in the absence of a disconnector. The way this would work was that the notched hammer would hang up on the firing pin collar. But this required a special small-collar firing pin. If a standard firing pin was used by mistake, the gun might jam anyway even if the disconnector was in place. Later, Colt reverted to the shrouded BC and recently has even been using FA BC's.

Thanks for the info. Perhaps I should have said "SP-1 style" bolt carrier. That is what the type of bolt carrier the Ruger uses on the AR556 is often called. presumably because that type of BCG first appeared on the Colt SP-1. Here are four different styles of bolt carriers:
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The one labelled "M-16 carrier" is also known as the "full auto" carrier. The one labelled "normal AR-15 carrier" is also known as the "semi-auto" carrier.
 
The one labelled "M-16 carrier" is also known as the "full auto" carrier. The one labelled "normal AR-15 carrier" is also known as the "semi-auto" carrier.
That's right. Those are the two types that I have in all my AR's.

We have already discussed the beveled type (the third in the picture above) and why IMO it's not desirable.

The open-bottom carrier (the first in the picture above) was introduced by Colt in order to defeat the Lightning Link, which would be activated by either of the semiautomatic styles (the two on the right). There is no reason to use that now.

Colt is now using the "full auto" carrier in its current semi AR production. It got an ATF determination that this would not be a problem.
 
EDIT: This is one kit that's been tempting me for a while. Pencil barrel (which I'm a huge sucker for) + stainless + free float + polished trigger + Magpul stock, for $425 with shipping. You would need to buy a lower and a punch set if you don't have one, but I'd be shocked if the final price came out to any higher than the Smith or Ruger.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...m-lok-moe-ept-rifle-kit-w-mbus-sight-set.html


Me too. I love this setup except I put the larue trigger in it and now it's a real beaut. No regrets. The top rifle is the ss pencil build. IMG_20190812_192102.jpg
 
My wife was at the Dr. this afternoon and I was killing time while waiting to grab lunch and ended up bringing home a completed AR pistol lower (Anderson).. That is after I already bought a custom stripped lower from a forum member this morning.
Not sure what the heck I am going to to with the darn things! Ive got plenty of AR's so now the conundrum to do something different.
 
Buying a completed lower, and then paying the local 40$ transfer fee :eek:, plus the upper makes them almost as much as a complete rifle.
At least in this part of "The Free State"... :scrutiny:
o_O

$20 to $25 for a FFL transfer is standard in my part of Missouri. Try putting your Zip Code into here and looking for other dealers around you. I bet there is a kitchen table dealer nearby that charges less.

https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index

I find it's not worthwhile to do a FFL transfer on stripped lower. I can usually find a stripped lower at a dealer for the same price as having one shipped and paying FFL transfer.
 
No one seems to mention FN, not the least expensive compared to PSA or S&W but everything I have read quality is comparable to Colt.
 
I just saw an ad for S&W M&P ARs for 450.00,

Least expensive I have seen locally is & 550.00 plus the 7% state tax in my state. Sometimes it's worth paying tax local, sometimes it's better to buy off a website and pay the shipping and transfer fee. 7% tax is $39, which is what most sellers charge for shipping anyway, then there is the $25 to $50 transfer fee for your local dealer to accept and transfer the shipped gun. So between shipping and transfer fee that is $65 to $90 on top of the gun cost right there.
 
I have only experience with Franken guns and PSA. Everything I got from PSA has been excellent for what I want. BTW, I found an FFL right up the street from me that does "receives" for $10. Stripped lower from PSA, $29.99, $9 shipping, $10 "receive", OTD for $48. Can't find any lowers any where around me for less than $90 or so. Happy with PSA so far, good people...slow to ship...
 
Northwest of Atlanta there are 2 places that don't charge for transfers and one puts Anderson lowers on sale for 30.00 and Aero lowers for 40.00, a surplus store had the ATI lowers for less than 30.00 (I bought them), I have not found anywhere local that does uppers for a competitive price, they are usually about the same price as Bear Creek but without a BCG, tax around here is 8%. PSA has a facility in Georgia so I have to pay taxes and shipping from them so sometimes its cheaper to order from other sources.
 
Your gonna hear alot of crap on hear about Colt but the bottom line is you cant go wrong with them.
If you have a tight budget you may want to look at Ruger or S&W.
Stay away from the low end stuff, it will be more headaches then it is worth, a AR15 is a machine, not just a firearm.

I don’t hear many people knocking Colt when it comes to quality, only that, as you state, “a AR15 is a machine” and there really aren’t any secrets withheld that can only be answered by SPENDING MORE on a Colt or DD. I agree that certain “low end stuff” needs to be kept at the end of a 10’ pole but I discriminate based on experience not price.
 
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