() This close to a ND

[allaroundhunter]

I was once handed back an AK47 rifle at the very crowded St. Charles show. When I went to put the chamber flag BACK in the weapon a round ejected. I looked up and the guy I was talking to had already walked away. Went looking for him too, but didn't find him. I was very pissed off.

Some sick bastards out there.

Wow....I have never heard of that happening, but I guess the guy just wanted to be able to kill someone without having to actually pull the trigger himself....

It is people like this that really scare me, absolutely no regard for human life. Should be removed from the planet like mosquitos.

 

[Flopsweat]

This is why I have two boxes full of old phone books, one on top of the other, on the floor next to my reloading bench. Any time I need to pull a trigger the barrel is pointed at them. I have this borderline obsessive need to check the chamber at least twice before I dry fire, but I'm still going to aim at my homemade "safe direction".

 

[Davek1977]

I dropped my CC Colt Commander last weekend while visiting family.. sudden wrestling match between me, my cousin, and his daughter caused it to jar loose- Despite its being an 80 series, this is one reason why I remove the chambered round when visiting he and his children.

So you are saying it went off in condition 1 after a drop without a round in the chamber? Huh?

How did you get THAT out of the above quote? He said his gun got dropped....didn't say at ANY point the gun discharged or even almost discharged. Just that he doesnt carry in condition one when he feels physical activity may cause the gun to somehow fall. He did NOT say anything about the gun firing without a round in the chamber at any point, or even reference the gun firing at all.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I guess I just see just pulling the trigger (dry firing) to decock any gun as part of unloading the gun in the private sector is a bad practice. Proper decocking, like you would do with a loaded gun...fine. But, just pulling the trigger as an "automatic" action as part of a "routine" unloading procedure? Not in my house.

It puts one more hole in the swiss cheese model of mishaps. First hole - snap caps on top of loaded rounds in a magazine. Second hole - racking the slide, charging handle, whatever, with a magazine inserted in the gun. Third hole - automatic "muscle memory" pulling the trigger as part of the routine unloading procedure. All holes line up in the swiss cheese model of mishaps, and the final hole will be in the ceiling, floor, wall or body part.

 

[Hardware]

Cursing myself for an idiot I picked up the rifle and cycled the charging handle to make sure everything was still okay. Then I dropped the magazine. Just as I was reaching for the trigger

I am really surprised that no-one has mentioned this before:
It is your manual of arms that needs some review. Any semi auto firearm of pistol, rifle or shotgun design:

Drop the mag first, then cycle the charging handle/slide to eject the chambered round. Firearms 101.

Yes, yes, yes. I got complacent with my firearm handling. Don't let this happen to you!

Just the prior week I had been home sick and existing on Nyquil/nights and cough syrup/days. If this had happened 7 days earlier I might have a new, very small, skylight.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Suppose you have total confidence in modern metelergy and never dry fire a weapon just in case there is somehow a round left in the chamber. Now you have store it COCKED AND LOADED. What if something happens to you and some non-gun savvy family member has to handle them? I have NEVER had a ND but Heaven forbid if it did happen I would it rather be in my hands aimed at the corner baseboard than some relitive who might not know better.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Suppose you have total confidence in modern metelergy and never dry fire a weapon just in case there is somehow a round left in the chamber. Now you have store it COCKED AND LOADED. What if something happens to you and some non-gun savvy family member has to handle them? I have NEVER had a ND but Heaven forbid if it did happen I would it rather be in my hands aimed at the corner baseboard than some relitive who might not know better.

I have total confidence in the ability to verify there is no magazine inserted in the gun, no rounds present in an integral magazine, and no rounds in a chamber. Dry firing a gun to verify it is unloaded is not the smartest way, IMHO, but I suppose it is effective.

 

[msparks]

How did you get THAT out of the above quote? He said his gun got dropped....didn't say at ANY point the gun discharged or even almost discharged. Just that he doesnt carry in condition one when he feels physical activity may cause the gun to somehow fall. He did NOT say anything about the gun firing without a round in the chamber at any point, or even reference the gun firing at all.

Just wanted to be sure of what he was saying that's all. I guess it's never a bad idea to be too safe.

I guess horse play and carry probably don't mix.

 

[Owen Sparks]

I guess horse play and carry probably don't mix.

Neither does fighting with an unarmed opponent while you yourself are armed.
There is a gun involved and that is a deadly threat to you and everyone else and you must do whatever it takes to secure that weapon from your attacker. You are only one punch away from la la land and you cannot take that risk of swapping punches and being temporarily disabled while you are responsible for that loaded pistol.

 

[allaroundhunter]

Neither does fighting with an unarmed opponent while you yourself are armed.
There is a gun involved and that is a deadly threat to you and everyone else and you must do whatever it takes to secure that weapon from your attacker. You are only one punch away from la la land and you cannot take that risk of swapping punches and being temporarily disabled while you are responsible for that loaded pistol.

How did we get here? This is a response that belongs in a completely different thread. The post about a weapon falling was from a holster was from a man who was just playing around with a family member, not an attacker.

 

[Owen Sparks]

How did we get here? This is a response that belongs in a completely different thread. The post about a weapon falling was from a holster was from a man who was just playing around with a family member, not an attacker

This is about a principle, maintaining control of a weapon that you are responsible for.

Wrestling around with the kids or fist fighting with an unarmed attacker, either way you can loose your sidearm. The difference is that the kids probably will not grab it up and kill you with it.