midland man
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well I have on hold a used uberti 45 colt the cattleman brass model but I can change my mind and just order the new ruger convertible in 45 colt with the extra 45acp cylinder. so what in the world to do :banghead:
this is hard the new ruger vs the used uberti
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rcmodel
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Do you want a traditional Colt SAA type gun with fixed sights, with an untraditional brass grip frame?
That is only safe to carry with an empty chamber under the hammer?
That may or may not shoot where the sights are pointed, depending on bullet weight?
And is only strong enough to handle standard pressure .45 Colt loads?
Or do you want a modern, very strong SA with adjustable sights, able to shoot two kinds of ammo?
Should be pretty easy to figure out really.
You just need to decide, based on why you want it.
rc
That is only safe to carry with an empty chamber under the hammer?
That may or may not shoot where the sights are pointed, depending on bullet weight?
And is only strong enough to handle standard pressure .45 Colt loads?
Or do you want a modern, very strong SA with adjustable sights, able to shoot two kinds of ammo?
Should be pretty easy to figure out really.
You just need to decide, based on why you want it.
rc
ArchAngelCD
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Only you can answer which you want most and why.
When you do buy don't forget the pictures and range report...
When you do buy don't forget the pictures and range report...
critter
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I recently bought the Ruger convertable. You can't go wrong with it. Really a good shooter.
There is this option.
My Italian "Colt" with the 45 long Colt cylinder on the table and the 45 ACP cylinder installed.
I do not need more than original ballistics so I am content with this set up. For those who believe faster is better, there is the Ruger.
My Italian "Colt" with the 45 long Colt cylinder on the table and the 45 ACP cylinder installed.
I do not need more than original ballistics so I am content with this set up. For those who believe faster is better, there is the Ruger.
RealGun
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Now there is a very good, essential question which does not first require questionable discrediting of the Uberti capabilities.
The Ubertis have a long-established tendency to vary greatly in sight regulation, and that's both in windage AND elevation.
Last new one I had here a couple months ago shot 4-6 inches low & 1.5 inches left at 25 yards.
That's one liability you have with the Uberti.
The Uberti does not have a quarter-cock "safety".
If you carry the gun six-up, with the hammer on that notch, and drop the gun such that it lands on the hammer, you can pretty much count on it shearing the notch or busting the trigger tip off & firing. It's happened, knowledgeable six-gunners know better & do not carry that way.
A sharp knock on the hammer in the holster if carried in that position can do the same.
As far as the two-position base pin goes, that idea actually does prevent the gun from firing, but who carries it engaged in a holster?
Takes time to return to a firing position.
Not practical for field use.
The Ruger is an all-round superior gun to the Uberti.
Stronger, much more durable, unbreakable springs, sights can be adjusted easily, can be safely carried with all six loaded and remain ready for instant use.
In those respects it's even superior to the Colt.
This isn't a "brand" thing, it's a design thing.
As RC said- decide what you want from the gun.
If traditional looks, standard velocity ammunition, 5-round capacity are OK, and you're willing to deal with the potential sight regulation issue, there's your choice.
If you want much more out of life, the Ruger's your choice.
Denis
Last new one I had here a couple months ago shot 4-6 inches low & 1.5 inches left at 25 yards.
That's one liability you have with the Uberti.
The Uberti does not have a quarter-cock "safety".
If you carry the gun six-up, with the hammer on that notch, and drop the gun such that it lands on the hammer, you can pretty much count on it shearing the notch or busting the trigger tip off & firing. It's happened, knowledgeable six-gunners know better & do not carry that way.
A sharp knock on the hammer in the holster if carried in that position can do the same.
As far as the two-position base pin goes, that idea actually does prevent the gun from firing, but who carries it engaged in a holster?
Takes time to return to a firing position.
Not practical for field use.
The Ruger is an all-round superior gun to the Uberti.
Stronger, much more durable, unbreakable springs, sights can be adjusted easily, can be safely carried with all six loaded and remain ready for instant use.
In those respects it's even superior to the Colt.
This isn't a "brand" thing, it's a design thing.
As RC said- decide what you want from the gun.
If traditional looks, standard velocity ammunition, 5-round capacity are OK, and you're willing to deal with the potential sight regulation issue, there's your choice.
If you want much more out of life, the Ruger's your choice.
Denis
I honestly can't complain about my Ruget BH convertible .45.
I love it.
Don't see myself loading/shooting too awful many of the "Ruger only" loads from it, though.
It rolls up quite enough from the recoil of factory 255 grain ammo.
Thinking about sending it back to Ruger to have the 4-5/8" barrel replaced with a 5.5" barrel.
I just like the look/balance of the 5.5" better.
These fine folks have forgotten the correct answer to your question.
That answer is: Buy them both.
I love it.
Don't see myself loading/shooting too awful many of the "Ruger only" loads from it, though.
It rolls up quite enough from the recoil of factory 255 grain ammo.
Thinking about sending it back to Ruger to have the 4-5/8" barrel replaced with a 5.5" barrel.
I just like the look/balance of the 5.5" better.
These fine folks have forgotten the correct answer to your question.
That answer is: Buy them both.
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midland man
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okay well I did it!! I bought the uberti but correction its was the hombre model I thought it was the cattleman brass but wasn't its a hombre model with 4 3/4in barrel matt blue finish 45 colt, but the wife says in feburary we are going to buy the ruger convertible with 5.5in barrel, so now off I go to shoot this used but like new revolver
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midland man
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well I gotta say wow! this revolver is great!! shoots very well and I like it! well thanks to you guys for your help! 7 months will be the ruger convertible soon coming! thanks to everyone this uberti is nice and shoots great
shoots very well and I like it! well thanks to you guys for your help! 7 months will be the ruger convertible soon coming! thanks to everyone this uberti is nice and shoots great
RealGun
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But how does it shoot at 20 feet?
RealGun
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How would a transfer bar fare with a direct hit on the hammer? Stuff happens in worst case scenarios. When I mentioned a 1/4 cock safety, I was simply reading from my owner's manual. I should have known the internet would be wiser.
Since 20 feet isn't good enough for me, I have no idea & couldn't care less.
What a gun & load do at that distance, I found out years ago, has no real bearing on what it'll do farther out, and I want the capability of reaching farther out.
If all you need is 20 feet, then you have different needs & different standards.
Denis
What a gun & load do at that distance, I found out years ago, has no real bearing on what it'll do farther out, and I want the capability of reaching farther out.
If all you need is 20 feet, then you have different needs & different standards.
Denis
How would a transfer bar fare with a direct hit on the hammer?
Huh?
No boom, that's how it'd fare.
You drop the Ruger on its hammer, you whack it on its hammer, neither impact will fire a round in the chamber directly ahead of it when the hammer's at rest.
Regardless of what your manual says- the quarter-cock notch on a Peacemaker-type action is not a safety.
Denis
Huh?
No boom, that's how it'd fare.
You drop the Ruger on its hammer, you whack it on its hammer, neither impact will fire a round in the chamber directly ahead of it when the hammer's at rest.
Regardless of what your manual says- the quarter-cock notch on a Peacemaker-type action is not a safety.
Denis
RealGun
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Then isn't it unlikely that you would choose a fixed-sight, traditional western style gun at all? For those who like cowboy guns. the Uberti is a fine, affordable choice IMO.
As a guess, I would say that 95% of the shooters at the range I frequent set targets at the 7 yard stage. The range has a 15 yard and 20 yard beyond that. The range is well maintained, staffed by a natural resources ranger, and is FREE, so we don't complain about needing a bit longer range. What I don't see is many experts. I guess they're too busy competing and reloading for the next outing. The rifle and skeet ranges are far busier.
RG,
As mentioned, if you require a lesser degree of performance & are happy with it, it's your choice.
If all you want is a 7-yard range gun, then you have your standards.
I don't own any "range" guns.
My single-actions are field guns, and as such I require more than 7 yards out of them.
They need to hit where they point, and that can be anywhere from 5 yards to 50.
I have owned & worked with several Ubertis over a number of years & know others who have, too.
Sight regulation is variable.
If all you need is a 7-yard paper shooter, it probably doesn't matter much in your life.
In mine, it does, since the gun may be used for things more aggressive than paper & I prefer not to wait till they get too close if the need to fire arises.
If your shooting life's centered around a range, your outlook differs markedly from mine, which isn't.
As far as my choices in single-actions go, I own $6000 worth of lightly customized Colt Peacemakers, and a $1200 Ruger Single-Six with fixed sights.
Those are set up to shoot the way I shoot, which isn't restricted to 7-yard paper, and they hit where they're pointed.
For adjustable sights to match a given load directly to a given point of aim, I use Ruger Blackhawks for that convenience, and for their greater strength & dependability.
The Colts for reasonable power & their history, the Rugers for serious work, when it HAS to work.
The only Uberti revolvers I currently own are percussions, which are toys, not used for serious purposes.
Which is not saying others should not buy or can't enjoy Ubertis.
They simply are what they are, they have their limitations, and the design in no way compares with the overall utility, convenience, and safety of the Ruger.
Midland's got his criteria, he's got his gun, and if he's happy with it for his needs, then that's the part that matters here.
Buy either, buy neither, buy both.
Just define your needs & understand what both brands can & can't give you.
Denis
As mentioned, if you require a lesser degree of performance & are happy with it, it's your choice.
If all you want is a 7-yard range gun, then you have your standards.
I don't own any "range" guns.
My single-actions are field guns, and as such I require more than 7 yards out of them.
They need to hit where they point, and that can be anywhere from 5 yards to 50.
I have owned & worked with several Ubertis over a number of years & know others who have, too.
Sight regulation is variable.
If all you need is a 7-yard paper shooter, it probably doesn't matter much in your life.
In mine, it does, since the gun may be used for things more aggressive than paper & I prefer not to wait till they get too close if the need to fire arises.
If your shooting life's centered around a range, your outlook differs markedly from mine, which isn't.
As far as my choices in single-actions go, I own $6000 worth of lightly customized Colt Peacemakers, and a $1200 Ruger Single-Six with fixed sights.
Those are set up to shoot the way I shoot, which isn't restricted to 7-yard paper, and they hit where they're pointed.
For adjustable sights to match a given load directly to a given point of aim, I use Ruger Blackhawks for that convenience, and for their greater strength & dependability.
The Colts for reasonable power & their history, the Rugers for serious work, when it HAS to work.
The only Uberti revolvers I currently own are percussions, which are toys, not used for serious purposes.
Which is not saying others should not buy or can't enjoy Ubertis.
They simply are what they are, they have their limitations, and the design in no way compares with the overall utility, convenience, and safety of the Ruger.
Midland's got his criteria, he's got his gun, and if he's happy with it for his needs, then that's the part that matters here.
Buy either, buy neither, buy both.
Just define your needs & understand what both brands can & can't give you.
Denis
dbmjr1
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"They need to hit where they point, and that can be anywhere from 5 yards to 50."
I want your reloading data that sends a 255gr round down range, and hits at the same elevation at five yards, fifty yards, and everything in between.
I own both a Uberti El Patron, and a Ruger Blackhawk. Both in .357 mag.
They both hit the plates at 25 yards just fine, which is all I require of them.
My El Patron has a safety block on the hammer that makes it safe to carry with six chambers loaded. I don't know the technical name of the device, but I assure you it would not fire if dropped, or even whacked with a hammer.
You can see it in this blurry cell phone picture.
If I had to choose between the two, I would have a hard time. The Uberti is gorgeous. A thing of beauty. The Ruger is utilitarian and rugged.
I want your reloading data that sends a 255gr round down range, and hits at the same elevation at five yards, fifty yards, and everything in between.
I own both a Uberti El Patron, and a Ruger Blackhawk. Both in .357 mag.
They both hit the plates at 25 yards just fine, which is all I require of them.
My El Patron has a safety block on the hammer that makes it safe to carry with six chambers loaded. I don't know the technical name of the device, but I assure you it would not fire if dropped, or even whacked with a hammer.
You can see it in this blurry cell phone picture.
If I had to choose between the two, I would have a hard time. The Uberti is gorgeous. A thing of beauty. The Ruger is utilitarian and rugged.
Ed Ames
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Congrats!
"Both" is so often the right answer.
As long as the trigger is not pulled, the transfer bar is going to be safely out of the way and will not transfer force from the hammer to the firing pin.
"Both" is so often the right answer.
As long as the trigger is not pulled, the transfer bar is going to be safely out of the way and will not transfer force from the hammer to the firing pin.
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midland man
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well I love reading ya'lls comments and yes the ruger will be bought soon, as the wife and I are planning on it in feburary as then money will be easier to work with after the holidays and deer and squirrel hunting etc. but yes I like this uberti as its my first uberti to ever own, its a nice piece but you guys are nice and I appreciate and respect your thoughts and comments.
but you guys are nice and I appreciate and respect your thoughts and comments.If you knew nothing about the SAA and its design and was just judging the Ruger and Uberti as is there is no question the Ruger is stronger and safer to load and carry. But it isn't authentic. It just looks like a SAA. To me the reason to buy one of these guns is the Old West nostalgia. So if it isn't authentic I might as well just buy a modern double action.
BobWright
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SOME Ubertis may be carried safely fully loaded with the hammer at the 1/4 cocked notch. They have a hammer block built in that the trigger sear engages and pushes a bar down to bear on the frame that prevents forward movment of the hammer. It is the little bar on the hammer of the gun on the right:
The hammer may be cocked and the gun fired in the usual way. I don't rely on this system, but its there. Skeeter Skelton once tested this safety and could not get the gun to fire. So far as I know, if a Uberti does not have this safety, it may be installed by simply swapping out hammers for one that has the safety.
Bob Wright
The hammer may be cocked and the gun fired in the usual way. I don't rely on this system, but its there. Skeeter Skelton once tested this safety and could not get the gun to fire. So far as I know, if a Uberti does not have this safety, it may be installed by simply swapping out hammers for one that has the safety.
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