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Interesting--can you clarify which version you're talking about? Is it the new models that just came out or the previous ones with the octagon exterior?
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Interesting--can you clarify which version you're talking about? Is it the new models that just came out or the previous ones with the octagon exterior?
The new versions are not nearly as heavy, but still loud to my ears.
For the $$$, there is better options.
For the $$$, there is better options.
I guess its a good thing that consumers have so many quality suppressor options available to them - although I believe that very few ever get a real chance to evaluate suppressors because of how the NFA game is played. I was kinda surprised to see this thread come up again, but a lot has changed with OSS in that time and we've seen that with our sales.
The older models of OSS lacked blowback, but were boat-anchors and not too quiet. (I looked back at the post photos from 16 months ago, and I cringe when I think of those heavy OSS models on our eval rifles).
Our experience is limited to LE departments in the midwest and California, so its not exhaustive. We aren't engineers, we dont make the stuff or invent it...we just show up to LE departments with a lot of gear and let them shoot their ammo, at their range, with their drills to evaluate options head to head and not have to depend on youtube videos or word of mouth.
Our focus is 95% LE teams, which means that rifle function, size/weight, blowback, and Dbs all come into play. As far as DBs go, we really dont see that much difference between Gemtech, silencerco, surefire, Dead Air, OSS (New QD models), Sig, and others. not one team has ever said "whoa, that suppressor is loud" when conducting the live fires - it simply doesnt happen although the tone does differ between the brands we sell. I'm skeptical about the level of actual hands-on experience from anyone who says the new OSS models are significantly louder than other similar suppressors. Can I tell a small difference if I put an HXQD762 on one LMT MWS next to a Sig 762? yeah I think the Sig may be slightly quieter (Its larger volume is closer to the OSS Magnum QD so that may play a role)...but the shooter wont take more than 3 shots with the Sig on one of our LMTs before saying "show me something else". (The only eval rifles we have that are equipped with adjustable gas blocks are the Larue's and the LMT Pistons. Its critical for our evals that we keep rifles stock so there is a baseline to compare).
NOTE: I guess the sandman K is a suppressor that routinely gets the "damn thats loud" description, but its a K can so its right there with every other K can for trade offs.
Blowback/function is the deal breaker with LE teams we sell too, because it leads to so many other issues in SBRs. We've had the new QD models since October 2017, and since that time there hasn't been a single LE team we've conducted evals for that has not selected OSS for their suppressor to purchase. This is one instance when the "new model" actually is something very different and leaped over the earlier OSS cans.
There are patterns with those LE customers who want suppression, but absolutely need that rifle to function with no extra mods.
Now if you're talking about the customer who pulls out a rifle to impress his brother in law before they throw burgers on the grill, my guess is he will care more about DBs than anything else which is great - there are a lot of directions he can go for products. I like and sell a lot of different suppressor brands, not just OSS. But for us, the new OSS QD models dominate with LE department sales. I suspect that the OSS priority (LE and MIL) will eventually pay off with great visibility in the civilian market too, but the NFA world tends to be pretty tribal so that would depend on a lot of factors.
here are a few pics of recent evals and new suppressor models from OSS and LMT:
The older models of OSS lacked blowback, but were boat-anchors and not too quiet. (I looked back at the post photos from 16 months ago, and I cringe when I think of those heavy OSS models on our eval rifles).
Our experience is limited to LE departments in the midwest and California, so its not exhaustive. We aren't engineers, we dont make the stuff or invent it...we just show up to LE departments with a lot of gear and let them shoot their ammo, at their range, with their drills to evaluate options head to head and not have to depend on youtube videos or word of mouth.
Our focus is 95% LE teams, which means that rifle function, size/weight, blowback, and Dbs all come into play. As far as DBs go, we really dont see that much difference between Gemtech, silencerco, surefire, Dead Air, OSS (New QD models), Sig, and others. not one team has ever said "whoa, that suppressor is loud" when conducting the live fires - it simply doesnt happen although the tone does differ between the brands we sell. I'm skeptical about the level of actual hands-on experience from anyone who says the new OSS models are significantly louder than other similar suppressors. Can I tell a small difference if I put an HXQD762 on one LMT MWS next to a Sig 762? yeah I think the Sig may be slightly quieter (Its larger volume is closer to the OSS Magnum QD so that may play a role)...but the shooter wont take more than 3 shots with the Sig on one of our LMTs before saying "show me something else". (The only eval rifles we have that are equipped with adjustable gas blocks are the Larue's and the LMT Pistons. Its critical for our evals that we keep rifles stock so there is a baseline to compare).
NOTE: I guess the sandman K is a suppressor that routinely gets the "damn thats loud" description, but its a K can so its right there with every other K can for trade offs.
Blowback/function is the deal breaker with LE teams we sell too, because it leads to so many other issues in SBRs. We've had the new QD models since October 2017, and since that time there hasn't been a single LE team we've conducted evals for that has not selected OSS for their suppressor to purchase. This is one instance when the "new model" actually is something very different and leaped over the earlier OSS cans.
There are patterns with those LE customers who want suppression, but absolutely need that rifle to function with no extra mods.
Now if you're talking about the customer who pulls out a rifle to impress his brother in law before they throw burgers on the grill, my guess is he will care more about DBs than anything else which is great - there are a lot of directions he can go for products. I like and sell a lot of different suppressor brands, not just OSS. But for us, the new OSS QD models dominate with LE department sales. I suspect that the OSS priority (LE and MIL) will eventually pay off with great visibility in the civilian market too, but the NFA world tends to be pretty tribal so that would depend on a lot of factors.
here are a few pics of recent evals and new suppressor models from OSS and LMT:
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"the NFA world tends to be pretty tribal"
Lol I'm realizing more and more just how true that is!
I'm hoping we will have some real data to answer the question about how loud the new models are pretty soon. Pete at TFB recently did the first independent measurements on an AR style rifle that I'm aware of with the full size 556 model:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/08/11/oss-helix/
Mid 130s at the ear is actually pretty rare for 5.56 designs (especially with a standard non-adjustable gas block), and it is only just over 140 at the muzzle on that particular gun. If you look at the data you can see that if it gets down into the mid 130s in the muzzle it is usually significantly above 140 at the ear.
Pete has the other models in his hands so we should see more test results soon. I'm particularly curious to see what are numbers that he generates for 7.62 as it is very difficult to find any existing design that is below 140 at the ear on an AR-10 style gun from what I have seen.
Lol I'm realizing more and more just how true that is!
I'm hoping we will have some real data to answer the question about how loud the new models are pretty soon. Pete at TFB recently did the first independent measurements on an AR style rifle that I'm aware of with the full size 556 model:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/08/11/oss-helix/
Mid 130s at the ear is actually pretty rare for 5.56 designs (especially with a standard non-adjustable gas block), and it is only just over 140 at the muzzle on that particular gun. If you look at the data you can see that if it gets down into the mid 130s in the muzzle it is usually significantly above 140 at the ear.
Pete has the other models in his hands so we should see more test results soon. I'm particularly curious to see what are numbers that he generates for 7.62 as it is very difficult to find any existing design that is below 140 at the ear on an AR-10 style gun from what I have seen.
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If anybody is interested, Pete posted more meter numbers today:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/09/01/oss-suppressors/
It's not everything I hoped for, as there is still an adjustable gas block and piston rifle in the equation, but it's more than we had before.
I hope somebody else will measure these on a regular DI 16" AR-15 and AR-10 soon so we can get a baseline to compare to other options. I think the most valuable testing is when a competitor is used as a control group in the same testing session, but unfortunately people don't do it that way most of the time.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/09/01/oss-suppressors/
It's not everything I hoped for, as there is still an adjustable gas block and piston rifle in the equation, but it's more than we had before.
I hope somebody else will measure these on a regular DI 16" AR-15 and AR-10 soon so we can get a baseline to compare to other options. I think the most valuable testing is when a competitor is used as a control group in the same testing session, but unfortunately people don't do it that way most of the time.
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