Times Opinion Article Equates Gun Rights With Racism

[oneounceload]

Gun ownership is not strictly a white culture thing because gun ownership is popular among many ethnic groups. It's clear that there is an attack on white culture in the US and Europe and we are seeing that the media by in large are fellow travelers in the vitriol. You never hear the MSM attack any racial, ethnic, or religious group that's not of white or European ancestry.

And yet, most of the MSM are of European Jewish ancestry.........a whole lot of white liberal guilt going on, yet they DON'T seem to grasp what happened to their ancestors in the ghettos of Europe during the Nazi occupations.........

Something about those who fail to learn from history...........

 

[Mitlov]

And yet, most of the MSM are of European Jewish ancestry.........a whole lot of white liberal guilt going on, yet they seem to grasp what happened to their ancestors in the ghettos of Europe during the Nazi occupations.........

Something about those who fail to learn from history...........

I'm just going to head this off at the pass since I'm one of those people of European Jewish ancestry. Our alleged control of the media is one of the big ol' myths of the 20th century (otherwise I'd have myself a lucrative reality show instead of a desk job that barely covers my mortgage and student loans). And regardless, you can't say that an entire ethnic group is against the Second Amendment. For every American Jew who buys into Bloomberg's party line, there's another who knows of the heroism of the Warsaw Ghetto.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I'm just going to head this off at the pass since I'm one of those people of European Jewish ancestry. Our alleged control of the media is one of the big ol' myths of the 20th century (otherwise I'd have myself a lucrative reality show instead of a desk job that barely covers my mortgage and student loans). And regardless, you can't say that an entire ethnic group is against the Second Amendment. For every American Jew who buys into Bloomberg's party line, there's another who knows of the heroism of the Warsaw Ghetto.

The split largely mirrors the level of Jewish religious observance. Pretty much every orthodox congregation has people carrying, while some of the reform ones actually advertise on their websites that they are gun-free zones.

 

[Dan Forrester]

Does this mean that we’re racists? Perhaps not. Perhaps we just haven’t realized the extent to which gun violence is destroying urban black communities.

Once again we can’t have “An Honest Conversation About Race”. What is actually destroying urban black communities are things like:

- Single motherhood
- Corporal Punishment (spanking)
- Religiosity
- Government welfare programs

Thing like, drug abuse, gun violence, criminality, lower academic preformance are just symptoms of the real problems black communities are facing. A problem which as long as everyone yells “WHITE RACISM” will not be addressed .

Black people are not oppressed by white people! They are oppressed by they’re moms who pick lousy fathers, their dads who abandon them, their parents and grandparents who shout and spank them, the religious leaders who lie to them and the governments programs who enable this to go on for generations.

And before anyone screams racism at me I am in an interracial marriage with a mixed race 3 month old.

Dan

 

[oneounceload]

And yet Mitlov, Hollywood, and most major media outlets are controlled by these folks. Growing up in NYC as I did, there was/is some form of disconnect I never understood.

For every brave soul who fought in those Ghettos, there are 100+ in NYC alone who vote for the very folks who would destroy them. It is a very complex issue that the more conservative Jewish folks I knew got, the liberal ones, not so much.
If you have some insight into that, please enlighten me, as we need all the help we can get in electing more pro-gun pols.

 

[Mitlov]

And yet Mitlov, Hollywood, and most major media outlets are controlled by these folks.

Even if that stereotype/conspiracy theory was accurate, and it's not, I fail to see how turning a thread entitled "Times Opinion Article Equates Gun Rights With Racism" into a soapbox about how a particular ethnic minority is allegedly against us is anything but counterproductive.

 

[Speedo66]

The split largely mirrors the level of Jewish religious observance. Pretty much every orthodox congregation has people carrying, while some of the reform ones actually advertise on their websites that they are gun-free zones.

What do you base this statement on? Kiryas Joel, a village in NY's Orange county, is almost totally Orthodox. Brooklyn's Crown Heights has many, many Orthodox congregations. Are you saying they're carrying in both locations?

I'd love to see some documentation.

As far as total Jewish ownership of the print and other media, old, oft repeated myth. Sony owned by Jews? What's next, the Jews own all the banks? I thought people here were a little smarter than that.

How about we leave conjecture and stereotypes out of discussions in favor of solid evidence. The opinion article we're discussing is being found so bizarre because it includes ridiculous conjecture and stereotypes.

 

[yokel]

As absurd as it sounds, gun control and confiscation cretins such as Gary Gutting truly believe in a 'social liberty' or the "right of black people to live free from fear."

Another ugly form of collectivism that gives priority to "group" rights over individual rights and individuals sacrificing themselves for the "group" or "greater good".

The forced equality of the convict camp.

Of course, every form collectivism is linked to statism and the diminution of freedom when political authority is used to advance collectivist goals.

It seems that we must disarm in an attempt to appease White male guilt that should not be felt in the first place.

Personal responsibility must be the cornerstone of our country. Diversity can be celebrated, but not in and of itself. There are universal truths like reason and self-interest which must be accepted in all successful societies and by all worthy cultures. Already openly contemptuous of our national heritage, leftists embrace multiculturalism and inclusiveness only as methods of destroying the society and culture they detest. We must take whatever measures are necessary in order to thwart them or be oppressed and enslaved by them. This “choice” may be forced upon the American people sooner than we think.

 

[Deanimator]

As absurd as it sounds, gun control and confiscation cretins such as Gary Gutting truly believe in a 'social liberty' or the "right of black people to live free from fear."

No they don't.

They don't want me to be "free from fear".

They want me to be "free" from FREEDOM. To them Black people are animals or children, for whom they must make all their decisions.

They believe in my "right" to live like an antelope on a game preserve, without even the fundamental right of self-defense, nevermind the means.

it's racist and eerily reminiscent of what the Germans had planned for Eastern Europe and the western Soviet Union.

 

[Walkalong]

That is exactly right, when the left says free from fear, they mean no guns and living under the strong arm of the government, with the lie of being protected by them.

 

[Walkalong]

Once again we can’t have “An Honest Conversation About Race”. What is actually destroying urban black communities are things like:

- Single motherhood
- Corporal Punishment (spanking)
- Religiosity
- Government welfare programs

Thing like, drug abuse, gun violence, criminality, lower academic preformance are just symptoms of the real problems black communities are facing. A problem which as long as everyone yells “WHITE RACISM” will not be addressed .

Black people are not oppressed by white people! They are oppressed by they’re moms who pick lousy fathers, their dads who abandon them, their parents and grandparents who shout and spank them, the religious leaders who lie to them and the governments programs who enable this to go on for generations.

And before anyone screams racism at me I am in an interracial marriage with a mixed race 3 month old.

Dan

I'm going to be honest and disagree with you on a couple of points.

- Single motherhood -

I agree that this is a huge problem

- Corporal Punishment (spanking)

I disagree this is a problem. Physical and mental abuse is a problem, but a well deserved properly given spanking isn't a problem.

- Religiosity

I don't see religion as a problem.

- Government welfare programs

Definitely a huge problem, not because the programs are there, but because they do too much and are abused. Some help is needed on occasion in many communities of any color. It should be a hand up, and not a lifestyle.

Thing like, drug abuse, gun violence, criminality, lower academic preformance are just symptoms of the real problems black communities are facing. A problem which as long as everyone yells “WHITE RACISM” will not be addressed .

Completely correct on both counts. Those are symptoms, and yelling racism all the time has shut down dialogue.

Black people are not oppressed by white people! They are oppressed by they’re moms who pick lousy fathers, their dads who abandon them, their parents and grandparents who shout and spank them, the religious leaders who lie to them and the governments programs who enable this to go on for generations.

You know by now which two I disagree with. I have no doubt there are some bad ones out there, but overall the grandparents, for the most part, are definitely not the problem. I base this on all the now grandmothers and grandfathers of color I grew up with. Good people who espoused the same values and raised their kids the same way my white (Italian father, Some German/Heinz 57 American mother) parents raised me.

And before anyone screams racism at me I am in an interracial marriage with a mixed race 3 month old.

I had no intention, and don't care if your family unit is lily white, black, or mixed. I appreciate honest opinions and respect people willing to give them.

The anti gunners will use any means possible to further their agenda. The stir up people using different techniques to drive their agenda. They will stoop to any means necessary no matter how low down, racist, hurtful, etc, etc, they are to achieve their goal. They pit white against black, poor against rich, etc, etc. Just despicable people.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Ida B. Wells, "Southern Horrors. Lynch Law in All Its Phases", The New York Age Print, 25 Jun 1892.
Entire text available at: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14975/14975.txt

Of the many inhuman outrages of this present year, the only case where the proposed lynching did notoccur, was where the men armed themselves in Jacksonville, Fla., and Paducah, Ky, and prevented it. The only times an Afro-American who was assaulted got away has been when he had a gun and used it in self-defense.

The lesson this teaches and which every Afro-American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give. ...

The anti-gunners will point to the Rosewood, Florida, 1923 incident (where the white mob returned and burned out the black homes) as negating all self-defense use of arms and justifying universal gun violence prevention. For 60 years, story of Rosewood was buried like the many unrecorded incidents of successful self-defense too.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

I dont see white people killing black people in Chicago, its exactly the opposite. So how is gun ownership racist?

Just because a lot of young black males are taught to be thugs at a young age, that somehow means I need to give up my rights? Yeah right.

 

[yokel]

No they don't.

They don't want me to be "free from fear".

They want me to be "free" from FREEDOM. To them Black people are animals or children, for whom they must make all their decisions.

They believe in my "right" to live like an antelope on a game preserve, without even the fundamental right of self-defense, nevermind the means.

it's racist and eerily reminiscent of what the Germans had planned for Eastern Europe and the western Soviet Union.

I realize that it sounds a bit daft, but obstinate "progressive" fools still buy the fallacy of the collectivist/statist utopia even in the year 2015!

There is much to fear in the idealism of the elite. In their glory years, their ideas and deeds, couched in exalted convictions, destroyed lives.

Unfortunately, not everyone can see it. Staggeringly, influential Americans remain convinced that a democratic socialist magic kingdom lurks just over the horizon. Tellingly, some leftists are so committed to this delusion that they venerate the regimes of Cuba and Venezuela — beacons for a 21st-century American enlightenment?

 

[greenmtnguy]

NYT is well know for picking what few cherries it can find to support its view, and ignore all other facts, and history. But, we still need birdcage liner to be supplied by somewhere...

 

[Poper]

This is just another muddle-headed ideologue who doesn't see the inconsistencies and confusions inherent in their view.

I gotta remember this! I have multiple acquaintances that this sentence describes perfectly!

 

[Leanwolf]

This is in reference to YOKEL's post # 39. He spoke of the "elites" who believe in the "Great Brave New Utopia" just over the horizon, if the worker peasants would just follow in lock step their extremely superior betters.

LOS ANGELES TIMES © 1991



Nothing has changed since this article was printed in the Los Angeles Times, other than the morally superior, intellectually superior elites have doubled down on their efforts to destroy this country and its Constitution.

As I said in another post, "They never, ever, disengage."

L.W.

 

[Dan Forrester]

yokel: Great post! Must say that I don’t think the “left” truly believes in “social liberty” or anything like that. I think that their strategy is to use wedge issues to create cracks in society and then to fill in those cracks with political and economic power. Things like, racism, colonialism, patriarchy, richest 1%, white guilt, climate change, feminism, war on women and many others are the wedge issues the left uses.

Walkalong: I also appreciate honest opinions and a good healthy disagreement. Its a great way to examine one's own beliefs!

I guess my argument would be that blacks are by a good margin the most religious race of people in the USA. Any time I drive through a predominately black neighborhood I am amazed by how many churches there are, how often people are wearing a Jesus T-shirt, walking to or from church or just talking about Jesus or the bible. The breakdown of religiosity in america is as follows:

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/african-americans-and-religion/

Most Religious - Blacks > Latinos > Whites > Asians - Least Religious

Similarly if you look at corporal punishment by race you will find that it is most frequently used by blacks:

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011...icans-most-likely-to-use-physical-punishment/

Most likely to spank - Blacks > Latinos > Whites > Asians - Least likely to spank

What this doesn’t address is the frequency of spanking or religious attendance. From my own admittedly anecdotal expediency I would imagine in the cases of both religiosity and corporal punishment to be exponentially more frequent as you go up the scale. I know white people who go to church once in a while or who occasionally spank their kids. Im sure if you asked them they would proudly say that they do go to church and that they do spank their kids. But from what I have seen in my personal experience these beliefs are MUCH stronger in the black communities. I see blacks poring into the churches and shouting at and smacking around their kids much more frequently than other groups of people. I guess if religion or spanking was going to fix the problems in black communities it would have done it by now.

Single motherhood we agree on but the breakdown is as follows:

Most single motherhood - Latinos > Blacks > Whites > Asians - Least single motherhood

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.htm

I predict the higher incidence of single motherhood among latinos is due to illegal immigrants taking advantage of social welfare programs. Just what I have seen working in the medical field.

I guess my argument would be that if one wants to be successful a good idea is to emulate groups of people who are more successful than your own. The same general trend holds true for criminality, divorce rates, IQ, academic performance, income

(Most Successful) Asians > Whites > Latinos > Blacks (Least Successful)

Dan

 

[yokel]

Under the political ideology known as social liberalism, the "good of the community" really is viewed as harmonious with individual liberty and personal freedom. It believes the legitimate role of the government includes "addressing" social-political issues. In the context of American politics this describes so-called progressive stances on gun control, as opposed to social conservatism.

 

[Walkalong]

I guess my argument would be that blacks are by a good margin the most religious race of people in the USA.

I don't disagree. The black community is certainly very religious and very conservative in their viewpoints, but vote overwhelmingly Democrat because they have been successfully sold a bill of goods by liberal whites and liberal black "leadership". People Like Al Sharpton etc should be ashamed of themselves.

But back on topic, the idea that supporting gun rights is racist because black youths use guns to kill other black youths is simply ludicrous. White youths do the same thing.

 

[Mitlov]

But back on topic, the idea that supporting gun rights is racist because black youths use guns to kill other black youths is simply ludicrous. White youths do the same thing.

Yeah. In geographic areas where the criminal element killing each other over illicit drug deals and drug-trading territory is predominantly Black, most homicides are going to be Black-on-Black. In geographic areas where the criminal element killing each other over illicit drug deals and drug-trading territory is predominantly whites dealing meth, most homicides are going to be white-on-white. In geographic areas where the criminal criminal element killing each other over illicit drug deals and drug-trading territory is predominantly Latinos, most homicides are going to be Latino-on-Latino.

In all these situations, the crooks and gang members committing these crimes are getting their firearms through straw purchases and the black market, not your typical firearms retailer that complies with applicable firearms laws. And in none of these situations is the perpetrator your typical firearms enthusiast (of any race). So changing gun laws is not going to stop these crimes, as proved quite clearly by the utter failure of the DC Handgun Ban to stop gang bloodshed in DC during the 1980s and 1990s and early 2000s.

 

[chipcom]

Being against black guns is racist...just sayin. ;-)

 

[Walkalong]

Yeah. In geographic areas where the criminal element killing each other over illicit drug deals and drug-trading territory is predominantly Black, most homicides are going to be Black-on-Black. In geographic areas where the criminal element killing each other over illicit drug deals and drug-trading territory is predominantly whites dealing meth, most homicides are going to be white-on-white. In geographic areas where the criminal criminal element killing each other over illicit drug deals and drug-trading territory is predominantly Latinos, most homicides are going to be Latino-on-Latino.

In all these situations, the crooks and gang members committing these crimes are getting their firearms through straw purchases and the black market, not your typical firearms retailer that complies with applicable firearms laws. And in none of these situations is the perpetrator your typical firearms enthusiast (of any race). So changing gun laws is not going to stop these crimes, as proved quite clearly by the utter failure of the DC Handgun Ban to stop gang bloodshed in DC during the 1980s and 1990s and early 2000s.

Exactly right, well said.


And I prefer deep blue guns. Black's OK, but deep blue pulls at the soul.