Russ Jackson
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With Christmas right around the corner this might prove to be interresting. Let's all get involved and see what we can do. I am in...Russ
Toys 'R' Us: Boycott.
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Kentucky_Rifleman
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Absolutely. There are several instances of companies doing about-faces on policies when consumer pressure was brought to bear.
We also have the "advantage" of the crappy economy on our side. Retailers are looking for any ways they can find to pull in more customers and open more wallets. Last Christmas season was a bad one for most retailers, with several of the big-box stores showing much less profit than the year before.
This Christmas is lining up to be less than spectacular. Since TRU - like most retailers - has to get a chunk of their annual profits from the Christmas season, it seems like the next few months could be an incredibly fertile time for a boycott.
Personally, I'd like to see them go bankrupt like Circuit City, but I'm told I'm hostile and I carry grudges.
KR
Let's be clear what the point of the discussion is about.
Toy R' Us has enacted a no carry policy for their stores and have posted them as firearms prohibited and an effort is needed to convince them to reverse this policy. How we found this out and what incident occurred isn't relevant at this point. The need is for a plan of action to bring Toys R' Us to remove the posting and permit legally carried firearms in their establishments.
If you have questions about open carry or the question of how someone may or may not behave in such a situation open a thread in Activism Discussion and don't derail the action needed in this thread. The sticky in this forum addressing posting requirements is there for everyone to read and it has twice now been mentioned that the discussion in Activism is limited to the plan of action. Other side bars and off topic issues should be discussed in Activism Discussion and will be deleted here. If the requirements are ignored repeatedly infractions will be issued.
Toy R' Us has enacted a no carry policy for their stores and have posted them as firearms prohibited and an effort is needed to convince them to reverse this policy. How we found this out and what incident occurred isn't relevant at this point. The need is for a plan of action to bring Toys R' Us to remove the posting and permit legally carried firearms in their establishments.
If you have questions about open carry or the question of how someone may or may not behave in such a situation open a thread in Activism Discussion and don't derail the action needed in this thread. The sticky in this forum addressing posting requirements is there for everyone to read and it has twice now been mentioned that the discussion in Activism is limited to the plan of action. Other side bars and off topic issues should be discussed in Activism Discussion and will be deleted here. If the requirements are ignored repeatedly infractions will be issued.
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frank einstein
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Just emailed them, and will post the response at my local range.
CHEVELLE427
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letter sent,
WILL SPEND MY U.S MONEY AT A GUN FRIENDLY PLACE.
told them they wouldn't miss much of my money but if 1/3 of say 60 million gun owners pass, they will miss that.
lets see if i get a call from them
WILL SPEND MY U.S MONEY AT A GUN FRIENDLY PLACE.
told them they wouldn't miss much of my money but if 1/3 of say 60 million gun owners pass, they will miss that.
lets see if i get a call from them
MikeNice
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I sent a letter along to Babys R Us. I told them that I will be bringing back the car seat, toys,a nd other things I have bought in the last month. I also told them I will not shop at their store or any other store owned by Toys R US untill they change their policy on guns in the store.
That's the entire point of this thread.
Silently going elsewhere to shop will be ineffective in changing Toys R Us' policies about firearms. Reporting your displeasure en masse via a letterwriting campaign and then taking your money elsewhere has the potential to be effective.
Nobody's advocating stripping TRU of their private property rights - we're just talking about making them feel the righteous consequences of their misguided policy.
oneounceload
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Incorrect - it is a publicly traded company - buy enough stock and you can change corporate thinking - otherwise, take your business to your local toy shop and support a mom and pop location.............that is, if you REALLY feel strongly about things.............or go to wally world
ATBackPackin
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I do not shop there often, but it does happen so I would like to send them a letter. Do you think that a mass carbon copy letter or an individual though out letter would be more effective. I realize that the letter itself, if they even read it, is not what gets policies like this changed, but rather when they notice a drop in quarterly profits. Like someone said this is a publicly traded company and if they find out that the reason their profits are dropping is because of an idiotic no law abiding citizen policy, I bet it would be changed faster than Jerry Miculik can reload.
So should I use the carbon copy or write my own heartfelt letter?
Shawn
So should I use the carbon copy or write my own heartfelt letter?
Shawn
ATBackPackin
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I agree completely, but I want them to know why they lost me as a customer.
I wonder how effective it would be for every time someone buys something that could have been bought at TRU to send the a copy of a receipt to show them exactly how much money they are losing. Of course they don't care about a single customer, but if a big part of the gun community does it I know it will add up.
Just a thought.
Shawn
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Discussion bad, activism good.
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PLEASE
AWorthyOpponent
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Informed a friend about this and he had the pleasure of returning a $500 battery powered jeep today. He was asked why he wanted to return it (it was unused), and his response was "I meant to get the four wheel drive one with the shotgun rack in the back." in a joking manner. Everyone had a good laugh and after his money was refunded, he told the manager why he was taking his business to another company.
Remember that for every family that shops at TRU and BRU that same family has endless relatives and friends of their kids that they have to purchase presents for. Each RKBA family that sends a letter to TRU explaining that permit holders are exactly the people they want in their stores should also point out that they have X cousins to buy for and their children have Y friends that will need birthday presents bought BUT because of TRU's policy discriminating against permit holders (it ain't our guns that purchase toys) we'll be taking ALL our money to stores that don't treat us as a discriminated against minority.
Just an update, this morning I received the same canned response to my email to them. I'm trying to decide if a further response from me is worth the time, or just let it go as I know they're getting plenty of other emails from my friends and family, as well as the community here....
jahwarrior
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i stopped in my local TRU yesterday; i saw no sign on the door, nor anywhere else. i've carried openly there many times, and i've never had an issue, except for one instance, with another shopper.
i personally don't like shopping there because of the insane prices, but if this is going to be their new corporate policy, i won't be shopping there under any circumstances from now on. my thanks to the OP for bringing this to our collective attention.
i personally don't like shopping there because of the insane prices, but if this is going to be their new corporate policy, i won't be shopping there under any circumstances from now on. my thanks to the OP for bringing this to our collective attention.
Harley Quinn
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This is a thread for ragging on, imho, to bad really... No other thoughts can be applied
Inane comes to mind...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inane
Regards
Inane comes to mind...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inane
Regards
oneounceload
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Just make sure you inform them as to WHY you are no longer shopping there.
Folks,
This thread was approaching 5 pages and it's now down to 2 after deleting sidebar discussions, bickering and other posts that don't focus on an effective plan to affect a change. Open a thread in Activism Discussion if you want to delve into other issues than the plan here to motivate TRU to change this discriminatory practice.
Not spending money at companies that discriminate against us is good, but it doesn't get the point across if you don't tell them why you'll be spending money with their competition.
If you do nothing else, send them an email telling them that you won't be spending money at TRU or BRU as long as they discriminate against people who legally carry firearms. Tell them what you estimate you've spent with them the past 12 months and that it will go to their competitors. CC several of your family and friends when you send the email.
Better still, post your email so others here can send their version of it. Make copies of your toy and baby receipts and send those via email or snail mail with a new explanation each time that as long as they discriminate against us we will spend our money with their competition.
This thread was approaching 5 pages and it's now down to 2 after deleting sidebar discussions, bickering and other posts that don't focus on an effective plan to affect a change. Open a thread in Activism Discussion if you want to delve into other issues than the plan here to motivate TRU to change this discriminatory practice.
Not spending money at companies that discriminate against us is good, but it doesn't get the point across if you don't tell them why you'll be spending money with their competition.
If you do nothing else, send them an email telling them that you won't be spending money at TRU or BRU as long as they discriminate against people who legally carry firearms. Tell them what you estimate you've spent with them the past 12 months and that it will go to their competitors. CC several of your family and friends when you send the email.
Better still, post your email so others here can send their version of it. Make copies of your toy and baby receipts and send those via email or snail mail with a new explanation each time that as long as they discriminate against us we will spend our money with their competition.
Arkansas Paul
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I just sent this a few minutes ago.
Hello,
I have just been made aware of your store policy to ban law abiding citizens from legally carrying firearms in your stores. I just wanted to let you know that all business that I do with your stores will cease as long as you continue to contribute to the disarming of innocent people, therefore placing them at the mercy of criminals, who don't follow policies and laws.
I have read the canned responses that you have sent others, and am not interested in recieving one. Please don't waste either of our time. One would think that in the present condition of the economy, you would be welcoming anyone who wished to patronize your business, especially law abiding citizens. I will shop elsewhere, even at the inconvienence of paying more money. Please think about your policy and it's real legitimacy.
Sincerely,
Paul
Hello,
I have just been made aware of your store policy to ban law abiding citizens from legally carrying firearms in your stores. I just wanted to let you know that all business that I do with your stores will cease as long as you continue to contribute to the disarming of innocent people, therefore placing them at the mercy of criminals, who don't follow policies and laws.
I have read the canned responses that you have sent others, and am not interested in recieving one. Please don't waste either of our time. One would think that in the present condition of the economy, you would be welcoming anyone who wished to patronize your business, especially law abiding citizens. I will shop elsewhere, even at the inconvienence of paying more money. Please think about your policy and it's real legitimacy.
Sincerely,
Paul
Arkansas Paul,
Thanks for letting others see your note to Toys R' Us.
Thanks for letting others see your note to Toys R' Us.
Just sent this:
To Whom it May Concern,
Hundreds of thousands of men and women across our country, in states where the law allows, have taken the necessary training, and obtained the necessary licensing, have undergone the same thorough background checks police officers go through, so that in the unthinkable event they are faced with the scenario that someone is willing and capable of inflicting life-threatening harm on them or their loved ones, they are equipped to defend themselves and those around them. This is a very serious responsibility, and one that isn't taken lightly.
When you deny these proven law-abiding individuals the right to carry their firearm into your store, you are putting their safety in your hands. When you post a sign that prevents proven law-abiding individuals from carrying their firearm into your place of business, you are announcing to those who choose not to follow the rule of law, those who choose to ignore your sign, that this is a safe place for them to conduct their business. Criminals will follow the path of least resistance, and knowing that us law-abiding citizens will respect your wishes and not bring our firearms into your place of business, or not patronize your business at all, then it makes those who do shop there more exposed, and less safe.
I understand your company is all about kids, I have one of my own, and will have others down the road. All of our friends have young ones, and nieces and nephews, etc. Their safety is just as important to me as I feel it is to you, and while I appreciate the reason for making the decision you made about not allowing firearms in your stores, I feel you have been misinformed. I ask you to research the qualifications most states require for a law-abiding citizen to obtain their concealed-carry or open-carry permit, and ask yourselves are these people truly the ones you need to worry about, because criminals, by definition, don't follow the law. Below is a link to the laws and statutes outlining the Texas concealed handgun licensing program.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/chl-16.pdf
While you are reconsidering this corporate policy, I will respect your wishes and shop elsewhere. If and when you reconsider, I would be happy to shop your stores and website again.
Respectfully,
legal name
To Whom it May Concern,
Hundreds of thousands of men and women across our country, in states where the law allows, have taken the necessary training, and obtained the necessary licensing, have undergone the same thorough background checks police officers go through, so that in the unthinkable event they are faced with the scenario that someone is willing and capable of inflicting life-threatening harm on them or their loved ones, they are equipped to defend themselves and those around them. This is a very serious responsibility, and one that isn't taken lightly.
When you deny these proven law-abiding individuals the right to carry their firearm into your store, you are putting their safety in your hands. When you post a sign that prevents proven law-abiding individuals from carrying their firearm into your place of business, you are announcing to those who choose not to follow the rule of law, those who choose to ignore your sign, that this is a safe place for them to conduct their business. Criminals will follow the path of least resistance, and knowing that us law-abiding citizens will respect your wishes and not bring our firearms into your place of business, or not patronize your business at all, then it makes those who do shop there more exposed, and less safe.
I understand your company is all about kids, I have one of my own, and will have others down the road. All of our friends have young ones, and nieces and nephews, etc. Their safety is just as important to me as I feel it is to you, and while I appreciate the reason for making the decision you made about not allowing firearms in your stores, I feel you have been misinformed. I ask you to research the qualifications most states require for a law-abiding citizen to obtain their concealed-carry or open-carry permit, and ask yourselves are these people truly the ones you need to worry about, because criminals, by definition, don't follow the law. Below is a link to the laws and statutes outlining the Texas concealed handgun licensing program.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/chl-16.pdf
While you are reconsidering this corporate policy, I will respect your wishes and shop elsewhere. If and when you reconsider, I would be happy to shop your stores and website again.
Respectfully,
legal name
wojownik
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Those last two letters were very helpful. I just returned an infant car seat, booster car seat, stroller, clothing, DVDs, and a lot of assorted supplies. So I am sending a note based on the above, along with a copy of my return receipt for $1,060. I also asked them to cancel my Toys R Us member card, and cease any mailings to my house (until they change the offending policy). However, I'd hope a thousand dollar return gets a little attention (but I'm girding myself for the official boilerplate reply).
BTW, Toys R Us is not a publicly traded company. It was taken back private in 2005, and is currently owned by Bain Capital Partners LLC, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. (KKR) and Vornado Realty Trust (each is a monster financially).
BTW, Toys R Us is not a publicly traded company. It was taken back private in 2005, and is currently owned by Bain Capital Partners LLC, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. (KKR) and Vornado Realty Trust (each is a monster financially).
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