brownie0486
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There's been a lot of back and forth on the forums about what one should practice for in a SD situation.
Some only think of "suddenly startled" and the auditory, visual exclusions that are diminshed when the fight or flight in a life and death encounter, claiming you will automatically/naturally croutch, fixate on the threat, lose fine motor/muscle control, and experience severe tunnel vision in these situations.
In the world of SD, we could very well find ourselves in this situation and these known body alarm response [ BAR ] effects to some degree if we have been taken completely off guard and are totally unprepared on the streets.
What techniques would work the best when this ocurrs? Ones that work best within that autonomic response likely. What would these include?
1. Threat focused type skills that make use of body mechanics and the use of some form of croutch and immediate reaction drills/skills/techniques.
These would include: Quick Kill hip; Elbow up/Elbow down, both from the hip and specifically the qk hip by it's very nature using a form of croutch. They would also include skills like Fairbairn/Sykes and Applegate promoted and trained people in, including 1/2 hip and 3/4 hip techniques which have proven the test of time on the streets in real gun battles.
The above being stand and deliver skills. All the above skills are found within the ITFTS training course and skills the students learn quite readily in one or two days.
Does every SD situation end in our being totally taken unaware and "startled" where some or all of the BAR kicks in and diminishes our visual and auditory functions, our fine motor skills? No, of course not. Many times we become aware of a potential SD situation just a split second or two before we are forced to react with a firearm. We are not working under the "startle" BAR restrictions or diminished skills as we had enough notice through our awareness skills in one way or another and were cognitive of our surroundings and impending peril.
What techniques would work the best when we find ourselves in these circumstances where time is short to react, where we are not startled/taken by surprise in close in life and death struggles where a gun can be used?
Threat focused type skills that make use of a faster presentation, faster response to hits on threat seem likely candidates here. Time is still of the essence in our response, forced to react with a firearm to stay alive yet not working under a strict startle response and all the BAR and all the diminished skill that goes with it.
Techniques that work within these parameters would be Quick Kill hip; Elbow up/Elbow down, both from the hip and Quick Kill either one or two handed at just below line of sight. They would include skills like Fairbairn/Sykes and Applegate promoted and trained people in, including 1/2 hip and 3/4 hip techniques as well if we choose to stand and deliver good multiple killing shots on threat. We could use the very effecient and fast "zipper" and the "hammer" techniques in an "in your face" confrontation as well. All make use of threat focused skills once again, therby negating the "verification" of any type of sight picture. Verification takes time, and any time wasted when it is unnecessary is a bad thing when time to shots on threats that are about to kill us are present.
Again, All the above skills are found within the ITFTS training course and skills the students learn quite readily in one or two days.
Where we find ourselves not working under BAR due to being taken totally by surprise for whatever reason, we may decide that as we draw, we can make use of moving out of their kill zone and use techniques that work well at normal self defense distances of 8-10 feet.
What techniques would work the best under these conditions?
Threat focused skills again. Skills that would include technqiues that work while moving and shooting while it's up close and personal in typical SD distances. Techniques similiar to what we teach called sprint and hits, moving obliquely away from the threat in either direction, creating distance and that put 4-5 rounds on threats COM before we get two steps out and away from the central kill zone.
Again, All the above skills are found within the ITFTS training course and skills the students learn quite readily in one or two days.
People have always had a hard time finding ways to move [ and move fast enough to not be duck walking/groucho walking ] and keep the front sight on threats throughout history. Thats where threat focused skills really enhance perfomance in defending while moving and getting reliable COM hits at the same time.
ITFTS trains people in all of the above skills for the multitude of scenarios we can find ourselves in. Whether it is stand and deliver skills when we are taken by the surprise attack at close range, or we have had some notice giving us time [ microseconds and more ] to be able to respond.
Training for all the possible SD situations we may find ourselves in and being able to call on skills/technques as the situation requires seems most prudent here.
Front sight press skills will work with any of the above scenarios as well. They'll take longer to train to a level of extreme proficieny for most, and still at times will take longer than many of the threat focused skills/techniques in the final analysis that could have been used had we the training and confidence to use them.
We're on our way back to Knoxville in about a months time. Students will be trained in stand and deliver under startle/surprise attacks making use of body mechanics and gross motor skills as well as shooting while literally sprinting with a few big steps out of the kill zone and making 4-5 COM hits at the same time. They'll be able to use threat focused skills out past 21 feet, but most of the training will encompass the more commonly experienced SD distances of anywhere from 6 to 21 feet, with a variety of new tools for their SD tool box.
Just as importantly, they'll have the confidence to be able to use these skills to hit COM on the streets in fast paced SD situations. All of the skills take training, training that doesn't take weeks or tens of thousands of rounds to learn and be able to use effectively, but one or two days and a few thousand rds.
Trained skills that are effective in various situations people are likely to find themselves involved in on the streets. Skills that should be in every tool box if you carry a gun with the idea you may one day use it to protect your life or that of another.
It takes training in these skills. They are easily absorbed by both new shooters with basic gun handling skills as well as those more proficient with a handgun through years of practice and familiarity.
Brownie
Some only think of "suddenly startled" and the auditory, visual exclusions that are diminshed when the fight or flight in a life and death encounter, claiming you will automatically/naturally croutch, fixate on the threat, lose fine motor/muscle control, and experience severe tunnel vision in these situations.
In the world of SD, we could very well find ourselves in this situation and these known body alarm response [ BAR ] effects to some degree if we have been taken completely off guard and are totally unprepared on the streets.
What techniques would work the best when this ocurrs? Ones that work best within that autonomic response likely. What would these include?
1. Threat focused type skills that make use of body mechanics and the use of some form of croutch and immediate reaction drills/skills/techniques.
These would include: Quick Kill hip; Elbow up/Elbow down, both from the hip and specifically the qk hip by it's very nature using a form of croutch. They would also include skills like Fairbairn/Sykes and Applegate promoted and trained people in, including 1/2 hip and 3/4 hip techniques which have proven the test of time on the streets in real gun battles.
The above being stand and deliver skills. All the above skills are found within the ITFTS training course and skills the students learn quite readily in one or two days.
Does every SD situation end in our being totally taken unaware and "startled" where some or all of the BAR kicks in and diminishes our visual and auditory functions, our fine motor skills? No, of course not. Many times we become aware of a potential SD situation just a split second or two before we are forced to react with a firearm. We are not working under the "startle" BAR restrictions or diminished skills as we had enough notice through our awareness skills in one way or another and were cognitive of our surroundings and impending peril.
What techniques would work the best when we find ourselves in these circumstances where time is short to react, where we are not startled/taken by surprise in close in life and death struggles where a gun can be used?
Threat focused type skills that make use of a faster presentation, faster response to hits on threat seem likely candidates here. Time is still of the essence in our response, forced to react with a firearm to stay alive yet not working under a strict startle response and all the BAR and all the diminished skill that goes with it.
Techniques that work within these parameters would be Quick Kill hip; Elbow up/Elbow down, both from the hip and Quick Kill either one or two handed at just below line of sight. They would include skills like Fairbairn/Sykes and Applegate promoted and trained people in, including 1/2 hip and 3/4 hip techniques as well if we choose to stand and deliver good multiple killing shots on threat. We could use the very effecient and fast "zipper" and the "hammer" techniques in an "in your face" confrontation as well. All make use of threat focused skills once again, therby negating the "verification" of any type of sight picture. Verification takes time, and any time wasted when it is unnecessary is a bad thing when time to shots on threats that are about to kill us are present.
Again, All the above skills are found within the ITFTS training course and skills the students learn quite readily in one or two days.
Where we find ourselves not working under BAR due to being taken totally by surprise for whatever reason, we may decide that as we draw, we can make use of moving out of their kill zone and use techniques that work well at normal self defense distances of 8-10 feet.
What techniques would work the best under these conditions?
Threat focused skills again. Skills that would include technqiues that work while moving and shooting while it's up close and personal in typical SD distances. Techniques similiar to what we teach called sprint and hits, moving obliquely away from the threat in either direction, creating distance and that put 4-5 rounds on threats COM before we get two steps out and away from the central kill zone.
Again, All the above skills are found within the ITFTS training course and skills the students learn quite readily in one or two days.
People have always had a hard time finding ways to move [ and move fast enough to not be duck walking/groucho walking ] and keep the front sight on threats throughout history. Thats where threat focused skills really enhance perfomance in defending while moving and getting reliable COM hits at the same time.
ITFTS trains people in all of the above skills for the multitude of scenarios we can find ourselves in. Whether it is stand and deliver skills when we are taken by the surprise attack at close range, or we have had some notice giving us time [ microseconds and more ] to be able to respond.
Training for all the possible SD situations we may find ourselves in and being able to call on skills/technques as the situation requires seems most prudent here.
Front sight press skills will work with any of the above scenarios as well. They'll take longer to train to a level of extreme proficieny for most, and still at times will take longer than many of the threat focused skills/techniques in the final analysis that could have been used had we the training and confidence to use them.
We're on our way back to Knoxville in about a months time. Students will be trained in stand and deliver under startle/surprise attacks making use of body mechanics and gross motor skills as well as shooting while literally sprinting with a few big steps out of the kill zone and making 4-5 COM hits at the same time. They'll be able to use threat focused skills out past 21 feet, but most of the training will encompass the more commonly experienced SD distances of anywhere from 6 to 21 feet, with a variety of new tools for their SD tool box.
Just as importantly, they'll have the confidence to be able to use these skills to hit COM on the streets in fast paced SD situations. All of the skills take training, training that doesn't take weeks or tens of thousands of rounds to learn and be able to use effectively, but one or two days and a few thousand rds.
Trained skills that are effective in various situations people are likely to find themselves involved in on the streets. Skills that should be in every tool box if you carry a gun with the idea you may one day use it to protect your life or that of another.
It takes training in these skills. They are easily absorbed by both new shooters with basic gun handling skills as well as those more proficient with a handgun through years of practice and familiarity.
Brownie
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