Treadwell's death and body recovery - a live-action account

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Saw a documentary about the event a couple of weeks ago. Key information was that the bear that did the eating was an old bear, and the time of year was such that bear food stocks (not counting humans) were scarce. Treadwell was warned many times by professionals to stop his foolishness. Woman with him must have been an airhead, or she wouldn't have been the woman with him.

Too bad the bears had to die.
 
Cupcake? CUPCAKE?! What sort of mind names a large, dangerous predator after a freaking baked snack? :banghead: Even my (mostly) harmless housecats are named after heroes and warriors. Visiters are cautioned to "mind the teeth and claws, they do bite and scratch".

VaughnT: I've been in lust with that round/rifle since I first shot one in the late 1990s. I've been saving for this modification for awhile now. *SIGH*
 
This entire situation had nothing to do with "nature" anyway.

I don't know. I understand what you're saying, but I personally think this is a PRIME example of nature: Uncaring, forceful, and may the strongest species win. By "strongest", I mean to say that men are generally stronger than bears, because we are armed with our big brains and that big brain generally should dictate that, when in the company of bears, you go loaded for bear.

I think that bear/those bears, just implemented a little natural selection, removing a few more ignorant genes from OUR pool. That is not to say, we should gloat over Treadwell's death, whether or not his life was misguided.
 
These two were fully informed and made the decision to go study these animals up close and personal. I cannot fault them this choice, any more than I fault any biologist. IN fact, I can admire their courage for choosing this animal, and undertaking the dangers associated with the study, such as the remote location, the rugged lifestyle, etc. I disagree with their choice to not only go alone (just the 2 of them) but also apparently unarmed.

Personally, when a buddy and I were just planning a camping trip in bear country, we planned on taking his two M-1 Garands, a slug loaded shotgun, and a .44 Mag. revolver for predator protection, including bears and cougars, on top of the fun guns (.22's and .38/.357's). But, that's just us.
 
Anyone else notice the rangers found food INSIDE the tent?

Big dang no-no in bear country.

Notice also the bush pilot is REQUIRED BY LAW to have a shotgun on board? talk about friendly skies.

In the previews for the documentary (which you MIGHT want to see anyway) Treadwell comes across as a bit 'unbalanced' to say the least... if not outright psychotic. Have you seen his 'video diaries?' Treadwell was recovering from years of drug and alchohol abuse... but I'd guess (based on my limited experience with manic depressives) that Timothy indeed had some mental health issues aside from his previous problems with drugs and alchohol.

While showing the 'raw nature of man and beast' the director seems to be showing Treadwell untimately did himself in... there may actually be positive backlash from this film yet.

And I don't mean another wave of 'friends of the bears' running naked through Alaska to commune with wildlife in the form of 'slow food.'

Maybe just maybe... the film will show Treadwell in the proper light... a well meaning if ultimately misguided figure done in by his own demons, self destructive and self centered to the end, the real tragedy is that he "chose" the bears as his suicide tool. And in the end, based on audio evidence even he was having second thoughts about it being 'a great way to die.'
 
To be precise. It's just a firearm that's required, among other survival tools. Not necessarily a shotgun.

A lot of guys just carry a .22 to ensure bunnys and ptarmigan for the pot.
 
i go loaded for the whole she-bang:
ghost-repellant
bear-repellant
whiteshark-repellant
salmonshark-repellant
mosquito-repellant
tourist-repellant
purplepeopleeater-repellant


okay, so one gun does all that, the winchester 1300 defender. but whatevers out there, i'm ready for it!! we'll drag carebear along cause he's good at the domestic stuff, like cleaning up camp, and shooting ptarmigan or grouse for supper. plus he sets up camp in this whole feng-shui-modern-retro style that is just to die for!

:neener:
 
I worked at the local zoo for a few months this year in the carnivore section and after working with the two grizz, I'm more scared of 'em than ever. We have two, a male and a female. The female, Stripes, is extremely intelligent. At least twice a day, after feedings, she would always reach outside her bars and check to see if we locked the padlocks. Her speed is amazing and she seemed to spend her time thinking of ways to mess with the zookeepers. She loved to grab the hose we used to clean her cage with, given a chance. The last time she succeded, one of our zookeepers was afraid that she would get sick from the rubber and pepper sprayed her in hopes of driving her away from the hose.
She got mad. Reeeeaaaalllll mad. She didn't run, just tried to get at her tormenter. I wasn't sure that she couldn't break through the bars. I hope that the grizz is always out there, but I never want to be within two mountains of one and I'm not at all sure of any 12G slug taking one down before it takes you down. JMO....
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"Anyone else notice the rangers found food INSIDE the tent?"

I didn't want to bring it up, either, because they said it was ready for eating. Maybe it was raining and they dug out some food and were going to eat lunch in the tent.

But I wouldn't want trouble like that, on an island crawling with bears! We were told to string a rope between 2 trees, and hang our food in the middle of that - as far away from camp as you can manage. Same with bathroom duties, far away I mean, no rope. These guys had food in the tent and food cans kicking around the camp.

But hell I'm paranoid and string up a perimeter wire.
 
pish posh!!!! everyone knows that if timmy had grown out a tactical beard he'd still be alive today because those ninja bears would have been swiping and trying to chomp on his scruffy beard instead of his head or throat.
 
Get them to associate humans with loud noises and pain......

I live a little further down the coast than Katmai, but we have just as many if not more bears in our area.
Every spring it's the same thing bears come out of their dens and start dumpster diving in town until the salmon start moving into the creeks.
Our method is to dump a load of #4 steel shot into their backsides from about 25 to 35 yrds away as they are (hopefully :uhoh: ) retreating from our presence. Any farther the shot dosen't seem to have the desired affect, any closer your are risking injury to the bear. Ones that receive a good solid hit don't come back for a second engagement.
However, there exceptions. Injured and sick bears will not avoid an easy meal even if they've been burned before simply because in nature's cruel world a sick or injured bear can't compete with healthy bears for limited food. Young misfit bears just kicked out on their own tend to go for easier food sources. Then there is the rare rogue bear that predates on anything an everything.
In the past four years, we've had to kill only three. One was misfit two years ago that apeared to be starving and had been run out of the dump by other bears. After the third load of steel in him within a week, we decided he need to go away. A Brenneke slug ended it.
Two were this year and were sibling cubs about 150lbs each. They were originally part of a litter of three cubs. All healthy when first seen. At some point we saw the sow favoring her front leg and limping badly. We theorized that she had gotten into a fight with a boar that tried to kill off the cubs and was injured in the process. As time went on we stopped seeing the sow, but the cubs started making frequent visits. Steel shot loads mades them go away for awhile then one showed up injured favoring its front leg.
At first this one made the attempt to avoid human contact when moving from the mountain to the beach. As time went she then started digging in trash, and frequenting homes. A couple more attempts to discourage her were tried. I got a decent hit on her while she retreated and thought that would take care of the problem.
The next morning she was reported in the back of someone's pickup. By the time I arrived she had bailed out and went into a neighbor's yard. I attempted to intercept her and do the steel shot thing one last time. However, went I went to where I thought she would come out next to another house. I underestimated her speed and cut the corner too close to the house and we met face to face about 12-15ft away. Rather than turning to run she let out a loud hiss and charged. She had taken one bound and landed, crouching for another when I shot her from about 8 ft or so away with the steel shot load that I had intended to sting her with. The shot turned her and she ran away from me. I followed up with a 00Buck load which disabled her, but still required a slug to finish. Her sibling was killed a few days later under similar circumstances.
Both had injuries consistent with being in fights. Strangely enough, the right front leg on both bears had been broken and swollen to 3-4 times their normal size. Both exhibited claw marks and and bald patches on their hide where they'd been bitten. Both were female.
Point is we have dozens of bear encounters out here every year. We try and instill fear of humans in them from the first encounter. Normally we use up a box of steel(it's not just for ducks anymore)shot on them before they den for the winter. Of course not every shot is a hit either.

Sorry to jack the thread, but one thought kinda led to another. :eek:
 
Wow, great read! This warmed my heart:
The rangers grab first aid gear and two Remington Model 870 pump shotguns -- preferred for their sure, nonjamming actions
All the more reason to love mine. :D

Nice rifle Sindawe, I think I want one too after reading all this... :what: :eek:

I'll be hiding under my bed if anybody wants me...

:p
 
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I saw Grizzly Man last night. I recommend it.

I will have to say that I had little respect for Mr. Treadwell before I saw the movie, now I have much less respect for him. The man was at best insane, at worst a fool.

I thought at first that he was a naturalist pushing his luck. But after seeing the movie he had a very slippery grasp on what bears/nature really are all about. And after 13 years of observing them there is just no excuse, except for being crazy, which after seeing the movie looks more and more likely.

I hate to bring back an old thread but I cannot stop thinking about what I saw on that DVD. I really cannot comprehend that kind of ignorance or maybe just recklessness when it comes to the value of his own life. The movie almost proves that what he did was almost a self-fufilling prophesy.

If you want to see insanity on parade rent this movie.
 
Treadwell was not guilty of hubris as some have claimed.
He was guilty of having no point of contact with reality.
The man was living in a fantasy world inside his head,
with grizzly bears walking the real world around him.
 
I happened to see it last night myself. What amazes me is that he lasted 13 seasons out there! Now THAT'S amazing. :what:
 
A good friend of my father's ( and i have heard her tell the story first hand) was sitting in the outhouse when the door was yanked off by a large Sow) she screamed and just held her hand out like she was pushing it away. the bear Chomped on her arm to pull her out but she had on some large fur mittens, and the bear stripped that off her arm. (along with some skin) and it tried to swallow the mitten but it was stuck in its throat. The Woman took off running for the house and screaming loud and strong the whole way there. She made it with the bear still struggling in the yard. after a hour or so the hubby went out Armed and the wife had a big light, the bear was motionless in the back yard. Upon approaching it they discovered the bear dead apparently choked to death by the mitten which stuck firmly in its throat. I do not remember where they lived but it was out towards the aleutian islands. They were missionary Doctors.
 
JohnKSa said:
Someone told me a video camera was running during the attack. It was dropped early on, but there was supposedly audio.

Anyone else hear this?
Some bleeding heart has published a book or made a movie or something about Treadwell. NPR did a review of it this weekend and interviewed the author.

Yes there was a camera. Yes it was on. The lens cap was also on. Yes there was audio - pretty gruesome according to the book's author who wouldn't talk about it. No it will not be released. The owner of the tape who owns the rights to Treadwell's estate refuses and won't even listen to the tape.

According to the guy being interviewed Treadwell was a reformed alcoholic and druggie. He was also a Hollywood wannabee who didn't make it which is why he took up the documentary stuff he did. Treadwell him self, according to the author, claimed that his work with bears saved his life. Kinda ironic huh?

Like another poster stated I feel more sorry for the bears. They were just doing what they were programmed to do. Treadwell was just being stupid.

So now the human gene pool is a little cleaner and the bear gene pool just a little shallower.

Like I always say:
Darwin always WINS!
 
Frandy said:
I happened to see it last night myself. What amazes me is that he lasted 13 seasons out there! Now THAT'S amazing. :what:


Very true, that's why I think he was crazy but not stupid. He wouldn't have lasted so long. Luck wouldn't have been enough for that amount of time.
 
The owner of the tape who owns the rights to Treadwell's estate refuses and won't even listen to the tape.
I've heard the tape it was posted here awhile back.
She was scraming and he wanted her to hit the bear with a frying pan
 
NOW this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky...
MAN-EATING PREDATORS KILL PEOPLE!

Stupid, stupid Californians...
 
I HIGHLY suggest going down to the rental store and picking up Grizzly Man to watch.I had seen him many times on Animal Planet,The Discovery Channel and so on but they never showed how truly detached the guy was.How he reacted to the fisherman,to seeing the fox cub killed by the wolves and especially:he himself saw that when the bears were hungry,they would kill and eat cubs but still saw himself as special.It's really something else to watch.Speaking of watch,that thing really did take a licking and keep on ticking:what:
 
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