Treadwell's death and body recovery - a live-action account

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Cosmoline

"My name is Timothy Treadwell, and I live with the wild Grizzly."...Timothy Treadwell

Are you suggesting that on top of being mauled, eated alive and forever the punch line of bad jokes, Treadwell's misfortune is compounded by the fact he didn't know the kind of bear he was fixated on? Thanks for the clarification.

That's a bummer of the first order.

Take Care
 
Thanks to all, especially our Alaska contingent, for educating me on the different bear types in Alaska. Very interesting. Although as the previous poster points out, it is a bummer to be unclear on the nomenclature of the wild creature that is eating you.
 
beaucoup ammo said:
"Are you suggesting that on top of being mauled, eated alive and forever the punch line of bad jokes, Treadwell's misfortune is compounded by the fact he didn't know the kind of bear he was fixated on? Thanks for the clarification.

That's exactly what I'm saying. He either didn't know or didn't care. Granted, locals sometimes call brown bear "grizzly," but for an "expert" to not realize the difference is pretty bad.
 
So, when Ursus arctos hangs around the coast eating salmon and getting
fat and mellow, Ursus arctos is called brown bear; but when Ursus arctos
lives inland scrabbling for scarce food and getting scrawny and cranky,
Ursus arctos is called horribilis grizzly bear. Same DNA, just different
living conditions causing difference in attitude and temperment. Sounds
like a lot of people I know. Sounds like me at different times in my life.
 
molonlabe said:
I just saw it and I’m speechless. The brightest bulb I saw other than the Native American was the guy who said.” I donno how he lasted so long, hell the bears probably thought he was retarded or something.” Then one day the bear has enough and says.” You know that might be good to eat”.

Sorry he was a few cans short of a six pack.

Sindawe said:
Cupcake? CUPCAKE?! What sort of mind names a large, dangerous predator after a freaking baked snack?

Within this thread there is quite a bit of overlooked humor which is hysterical! Good work guys! Funny stuff! :)
 
I feel sorry for Treadwell's friends and family, and the friends and family of the woman that was killed, but the situation is just patently laughable.

I put it right up there with using a match to check your gas tank. It's not a matter of 'if', but 'when'. The guy was a fruit loop, pure and simple. It's really sad that A) someone made a documentary highlighting a life of inherently self-destructive behavior, and B) a lot of the general public is so blindly sympathetic to animals that they will excuse Treadwell's behavior as necessary. Hey, I like animals, too. But I know better than to go around trying to cozy up to VLWTWTAC (Very Large Wild Things With Teeth And Claws).

By the way, if you ever wondered what the average PETA member was like in person, now you know. He would have been one of the more normal ones.

Brad
 
Grizzilas In The Mist

In a land of beauty, wonder and danger, he would follow a dream, fall in love and risk his life to save the bears from extinction.

A noble effort, however the more I think about it..the less sympathy I can muster for the man. As Cosmoline, who lives in Alaska put it: "for an 'expert' to not realize the difference (between brown and Grizzly) is pretty bad."

Might end up as Darwin Award candidate.

Take Care
 
I watched "Grizzly Man" this weekend. It's my opinion that Treadwell suffered from Schizophrenia. He was clearly dilusional (he believed he was some kind of bear savior) and paranoid (someone wrote "See you next Summer Timmy" on a log and he freaks out and thinks it's some kind of warning). He also displayed severe mood swings. Combine that with susbstance abuse and supressed homosexuallity and you're got a recipe for disaster.
 
Is there really a lot of mentally ill people up in Alaska?
I'd imagine the natives are somewhat normal but Alaska must surely get its share of Walter Mitty types.
Which isn't a good thing.
This makes me also think of that guy Christopher McCandless who dropped everything in life and went to live in the woods in Alaska. Sad.
Who really knows what possesses these folks to become Luddite recluses. Majority don't seem like misanthropes. Why don't they join a commune or something?
I've had the fantasy of going to the wilderness and living like a mountain man when I was a kid. That movie "Jeremiah Johnson" didn't help either.
But, I grew out of it. I like owning nice things. I love going outdoors but I love coming back into the warm indoors even more afterwards.
Maybe my stint in the Army knocked it out of me finally. Ex-Infantry. Got tired of being exhausted, dirty, cold, and wet. Some young men just need that experience.
 
14th February folks

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some things are so freaking crazy you have to laugh to keep from screaming
watching timmy treadwell was like watching a slow motion trainwreck
 
Freedom Of Choice

Someone suggested that Tim was with the bears to make a movie and was self centered..... Perhaps someday he may have made a movie about the Bears and his experience but i seriously doubt that his main intention was to glorify himself. He had plenty of film for many years to put a movie together. I believe that Timothy felt a great affinity to the bears. He saw the Bears as his friends and family. He wanted to protect them just as most people want to protect their four legged family members. Many among us would die to save our pets that we have bonded to. Many among us would call our dogs, cats, horses, skunks, snakes etc part of our family. I believe that Tim hoped to protect his family from poachers and to insure that the bears would be around for years to come. (yes there are poachers even in national parks)
Timothy brought awareness to the public about the beauty and love he felt for the bears just as an artist does with paintings. Sadly, he pushed the envelope a bit far and he and Amie were killed by a bear. He may have not made the wisest choices in his dealings with the bears, however, his work brought us many photos and a few wonderfully informative books about the life of brown bears.
I RESPECT FREEDOM OF CHOICE. I thank you Tim for all the work that you have done and for all the lessons that you have brought us about the nature of ourselves and bears. I thank you Amie for the love that you brought to tim and the work that you have done in the world.
NOBODY DESERVES to die regardless of their unwise choices. Though I am saddened by Tim and Aimie's death, I am looking to the lessons that are there for us: The right to the FREEDOM of CHOICE and the consequences of that choice.
I too love bears. There are many ways to love; they all have their consequences. I am relieved that the documentary pointed out that it is important to maintain a healthy distance from bears and other natural wild animals. It is my belief that it is important to not habituate wild animals to people. Somewhere along the line Timothy did not learn that lesson about bears. Sadly, he learned the difficult way but i doubt that it bothered him. For Tim, it may have been an honor to be consumed by his brother the bear. He would not blame the bear. He knew about the predatory nature of the bears as did Amie. Timothy made his choices about the bears and how he wanted to live his life. In doing so, he brought our world an awareness of bears that perhaps never existed before. I shall miss you Tim.
Also, I do not blame Timothy for the death of Amie. She had made her choices too. We are each responsible for our own lives and the choices that we make about them. Aimie and Tim lived boldly. They did not choose the safety of a couch and remote control. They LIVED. Rest in Peace. I love you and I thank you. Kodi Bear
 
My business partner's sister actually knew this guy. He was a failed actor in Cali around the same time she was deciding she was a failed actress. She said he was "completely mental". That he made her and most of her friends very nervous just being around him.
 
Bears are forces of nature like volcanoes, earthquakes, avalanches:
they are awesome and they deserve respect, but they are mot
what Tim Treadwell acted like they were: walking Disney characters
out of Bambi.
He had no points of contact with reality and endangered himself
and the bears!
All the good intentions in the world could not make up for that.
He thought he was helping the bears, but he did not understand.
 
In doing so, he brought our world an awareness of bears that perhaps never existed before.

Yep. Who would have thought bears were omnivores? I thought they only ate honey and picnic baskets.
 
Kodi, even though you are a troll, you are very amusing:

NOBODY DESERVES to die regardless of their unwise choices. Though I am saddened by Tim and Aimie's death, I am looking to the lessons that are there for us: The right to the FREEDOM of CHOICE and the consequences of that choice.
Yep "FREEDOM of CHOICE" ... love the caps... Yes freedom to be an idiot. Oh, by the way, if you are a fool you may "DESERVE" to die in Mother Natures view.

The only issue I see is the bears that had to be put down because of this idiot and his unfortunate girl friend.
 
I had a black bear walk along side me and a bow elk hunter a few years ago. It was dark, no moon, brushy and steep for 1/2 mile. We kept hearing footsteps next to us but couldn't locate it even with a flash light. We got to the tree stand and finished the morning with no elk seen. On the way back we saw the bear tracks, sometimes within 20 feet of ours. I carry a hot loaded 44spl , had it out that dark morning, but otherwise have never needed it except to deter the two legged rascals.
 
As far as I'm concerned, Timothy Eatenwell got those bears killed, just for doing their job.

They are tier one predators, and it is their sole duty as wild animals, in the wild nonetheless, to predate upon the lesser in the food chain. They did absolutely nothing wrong in killing and eating him, and his girlfriend. He was delusional.
 
there have been some posts in here talking about 'he was mentally ill, why make fun of him, talk bad about him'.

Yes, he was mentally ill. I think you can be a horribly uneducated blissninny, but if you were exposed to the stuff he had seen (male bears eating bearcubs) your brain would process this data and reject the teachings you had in malibu.

That being said, there are PLENTY of mentally ill people whose illness causes them to eventually become homeless, where they die from exposure, crime, inability to get simple diseases treated, etc etc.

The difference between a tim style nut and a homeless nut is the stuff treadwell was doing.

I don't see homeless people who are so crazy they think wearing yellow socks will prevent oncomming cars from coliding with them being offered the chance to spread their message to schoolchildren. Timmy, however, was given this chance. Hence his death may actually be saving lives.

Unexposed blissninnies were able to paint this guy as an expert. Again, crazy joe on the corner who licks the traffic light pole (this is why the walk-don't walk sign changes, because of his licking, not because of an internal timer)doesn't get to be called a traffic expert.

Crazy homeless guy may stand there and tell you if you give him $5 he will wave his tinfoil wand over you, which will protect you from alien abduction. We don't buy this, and the more cynical amungst us may well question if even the crazy guy beleives it, or if it is just a scam so he can get booze/drugs. Yet timmy was pulling the same scam by claiming he was out there protecting the bears.

Treadwell's stance as an 'expert' put real experts to shame. Who can say how many times real ecology efforts had to deal with people who were educated by tim and hence interfered with efforts to get important stuff done. (Like allowing firearm carry in that area of the park, or even an occasional hunt there) How many people saw this expert and tried to extend his logic to other animals besides grizzlies.

Our world is safer with bears eating people like treadwell.

Regarding 'freedom of choice'. I don't think the government should outlaw the activity timmy was out doing. (although requiring rescue/recovery insurance so the taxpayer isn't footing the final cost of one man's dumb descision) However, it is my freedom of choice to not shed a tear over this guy's death.

Further
NOBODY DESERVES to die regardless of their unwise choices
Bull????. Each and every human bering is going to die. It seems to me that dying because of your own unwise choice is the FAIREST way of dying, the most deserved way of dying. Want to talk about undeserved death? Lets try death due to homicidal dictator, drunk driver, or cancer. If your actions, taken under your own free will lead to something, then in my book, that is what you deserve. This runs the gammit of choosing a wise investment and getting rich, to taking a boat out while drunk and drowning.


Finally
Many among us would die to save our pets that we have bonded to. Many among us would call our dogs, cats, horses, skunks, snakes etc part of our family.

I tell you right now, I love my pets to death. However, I am not going to run into a burning building to get my cat out if it somehow gets trapped.

My life & My family's live >Other human beings>My pets>Other animals
 
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