trying to like trijicon

[captain awesome]

Well I didnt want to start a war here though I know people can get touchy about their gear. For the record, I didnt claim the Acog didnt work at all, it was hitting my points of aim with my friends ar15. As stated I just was unimpressed with the glass in both and the sharpness of the dot in one of them.

I may as well tell you all my plans and needs for optics.

First, I bought the original RMR to mount on a Vepr 12 shotgun. It is still naked wanting something better than the stock sights.

Next I want something for my Ruger SR556 in 6.8 spc. I kind of like the idea of a 1-4 power scope or a 2-8 ish power scope with a red dot on a 45 degree or on top, quick release on the scope with the flip up sights still on. I shoot well with the irons and do like them better than most iron sights but i still like a nice scope better. This is what had me contemplating the Acog in The first place.

Next I want to put something on my ruger sr762 I picked up last week. A good 3-9 seems about right imo.

I have an FNAR that has a 4-16 barska scope on it. It needs something better. Same magnification Would be fine with me.

I have a Savage 338 Lapua that I put a 8-25 power Mueller scope on after reading reviews and haven't shot the groups I expected with that rifle. I want to put a more tried and true scope on it to eliminate the scope being the culprit out of the equation of possibilities. I have a had a bad habit in the past of buying cheap optics over proven quality and I want to get away from that.

I should probably start a new thread for suggestions, but that is what brought all this about.

 

[benzy2]

For new optics, do you want to buy one or two optics to swap between a couple/all of this options or does each rifle/shotgun get its own dedicated optic?

The 6.8 and Vepr could probably get away sharing an optic and the 762/FNAR/.338 could probably get away sharing an optic. If that's the case, I'd be personally looking at something like an aimpoint/eotech (with a flip up magnifier on the 6.8) for the Vepr/6.8. Then for the other three it would depend on budget. If you pool the budget for each rifle into a single optic, something in the $750 range is easier to justify (simply three $250 scopes replaced by one high quality optic). If you can do $750 for a longer range optic, Vortex, Leupold, and Sightron would be my first options. Grab the reticle you like best in the magnification range you find most appropriate.

For a long range scope, I've come to really like the XLR reticle on the Viper HS, or similar. When you compare holding over and dialing in the adjustments its the best of both worlds. More accurate to hold over than without and faster to adjust than dialing (with the added benefit of not relying on a properly tracking turret nor inducing the wear of frequent turret adjustments). Many people find it busy but after a bit of coaching with the reticle I personally wouldn't go without on an optic that needs long range capability while seeing frequent adjustments/doping. Not my choice for bench rest shooting but dang effective for multiple distance targets. While its primarily used for the "tactical" type shooting its just at home on the praire dog town where you've got a bunch of targets at all sorts of distances. The reticle would strictly depend on your use and desires though.

 

[captain awesome]

Thats an interetsing concept. I have never used a magnifier. Or even played with one. Is the clarity as good as a good scope?

Switching optics back and forth, having never done this, how do you avoid having to zero it in each time you swap it? Do the quick releases return them To their exact zero when you remount them or do you have to make adjustments? I know one rifles zero likely wont be anothers, so I would imagine you would have to keep track of where the turrets need to be on each rifle.

 

[itsa pain]

LOL! ACOGs work...and it's not just claims; I've loaded up a 20 round mag and shot 18/20 on a B27 sized target at 570 yards after a full day of shooting handguns, shotguns and carbines. Fatigued, ready to leave...use Trijicon's BDC, compensate for wind, nail the target. It's not a "Hail Mary" proposition.

In one breath we like to say that ACOGs are too expensive, then three paragraphs later we're slamming them as being the lowest bidder. Which is it? Lemme guess...in order to maintain the argument we'll insist that Trijicon is taking a loss just to supply the Gov't with goods. Yeah! That's the ticket! Everyone wants a Gov't contract so they can LOSE money!

If anyone doubts the ability of an ACOG and its ability to put rounds on target at 500-600 yards, I'll gladly keep in touch with them and meet them at Manatee Gun & Archery Club in Myakka City, FL so they can see it in person. It's really not a big deal at all. In fact, most folks who accept event a handful of pointers wind up putting rounds on target and walking away with a smile on their face. To make things even more amusing, my ACOG is the original old-school ACOG, the TA01. No excuses!

They are way overpriced just like everything the military buys because it aint their money. Trillions have been wasted /stolen at the pentagon

 

[itsa pain]

^^^^Very well said. I to have seen people in the military shoot to 500 yds or so using irons and I find that impressive as I don't think I could do it. Then again I have never tried either. I am all about long guns, long distances and tight groups. I typically shoot at a 12" steel plate at 509 yds and try to keep my groups as right as possible. In that respect an Acog is useless to me. I was just offering up my real experiences with this optic. That is all and believe me as someone who works in the industry I get to spend more time than most behind such optics, but I am no means what I would consider an expert. I just offered my opinions. And again, unless he is going to battle all of this arguing is useless. If he finds that the trijicon is not for him then he should sell it and try something else. That is all. There are other options out there and some that I consider much better for a fraction of the cost of a trijicon. Just like no one rifle is going to suit/fit everyone the same. They have to figure out what suits them best and that is not always an easy or cheap task but once you find a combination that works you will be a better shooter and enjoy it that much more. No need to try and force oneself to like something that doesn't work for them.

I say irons are better then the ACOG which is to bulky anyway. The ghost ring is very fast close up and the smaller one is good at longer range

 

[benzy2]

You would need to zero after each switch. Its not an ideal option if you don't have sight in time before the desired use for a rifle, but if you can send a few rounds down range to zero it gives you a far better optic than three at a third the price.

Magnifiers are like scopes. You can get a cheap Chinese made option that has a bit of a fish eye look and is ok optically or you can buy top tier and get a very good piece of glass. I'd try to look through a few options at different price points to determine what quality was worth the price to you.

I've grown more found of starting with one or two very good optics and filling in the more specific needs as time moves on. Many of these rifles run $1000-$2000 and I have trouble putting $750-$1000 glass on each rifle I own. I find its much more manageable to buy one or two of these optics, swap them on different rifles, and then grab a good deal on a more specific optic as time goes and a good deal presents itself. If I start with all low to low/mid budget optics that its not long before I'm wanting to replace them all and have no budget to do so.

 

[jason41987]

whats this about red dots and astigmatism?..i have an astigmatism of about 4 diopers.. corrected by eyeglasses of course.. shouldnt that be enough or will it still cause distortion?.. i dont know, i dont have any red dot sights.. been sticking strictly with iron sights

 

[primalmu]

Check out the sites on this Google search. My astigmatism is one reason I've stuck with scopes and iron sights.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ast...j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

 

[jason41987]

but thats for people with uncorrected vision (no eyeglasses to correct it) right?