U.N. rounding up guns in Haiti

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Haitian gang members surrender guns By STEVENSON JACOBS, Associated Press Writer
Mon Sep 11, 8:04 PM ET



Three gang members surrendered their guns Monday in the first handover of weapons in a U.N.-led effort to disarm hundreds of Haitian criminals.

The men held the guns above their heads as they approached Brazilian peacekeepers to the cheers of supporters during the handover ceremony in the gritty Port-au-Prince slum of Solino. They agreed to disarm after peacekeepers promised they would not be arrested.

Haiti's government and U.N. peacekeepers are trying to persuade up to 1,000 gang members to lay down their arms with offers of money, food and job training.

The impromptu ceremony marked the start of what officials acknowledge will likely be a lengthy campaign to disarm the gangs, which are blamed for a recent wave of kidnappings and shootings in the capital, Port-au-Prince. A U.N. spokesman declined to comment on the weapon handover.

The men handing in guns — one gang leader and two followers — said they were tired of fighting with rival gangs in the slum, a warren of crumbling cinderblock homes, dirt roads and open sewers only a few blocks from the National Palace.

"Now we want the freedom to go where we want without being arrested by police," said the gang leader in Solino, known as "Bibi."

The guns and about two dozen rounds of ammunition were splayed out on a table in front of a mural of Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the former Haitian president who has retained the loyalty of some gangs since he was toppled in a 2004 revolt.

A government commission was appointed last week to oversee the U.N. disarmament initiative.

The U.N. special envoy to Haiti, Edmond Mulet, has said only gang members not wanted for killings, human rights abuses or other serious crimes would be eligible for the benefits after they give up their weapons.



Wouldn't that last sentence pretty much rule out most of the gang members? Or do they care whether or not your a gang member as long as they get your gun?
 
HA,HA,HA A good way to start my day !! Haiti is and has been a basket case for 200 years since it got independance from France.And the UN ? another basket case !!
 
Three Gang members[/B

Should read: "Three paid actors for the UN pretended to be gang members to try and persuade the sheep...." :barf:
 
If superstition worked ...

If superstition worked, Haiti would be the most developed nation on the planet :neener: Whip out those voodoo dolls, baby, cuz that's the only recourse you're going to have!
 
Anyone who is familiar with the Haitian social and political situation would be hard pressed to think this is a bad idea.


The US has spent billions intervening in Haiti, and all we have done is further the downward spiral.

If the UN can totally disarm the petty criminals of the island, then perhaps more NGO's can come in with humanitarian aid without the worry of being killed by bandits.
 
The Grand Inquisitor,

I have seen first hand with my own eyes how corrupt and worthless the UN is. I wouldn't trust anything they do.
 
I find the headline misleading. "UN Rounding Up Guns In Haiti" conjures up images of armed troops going door-to-door searching for and confiscating guns whether or not they are lawfully owned. Doing a "gun buyback" trade - swap crappy stolen guns for stuff and a "get out of jail free" card - which lets three known criminals off the hook and nets a mere 3 guns and 24 rounds or so, barely suitable for a photo op, hardly counts as "rounding up guns".


Inquisitor,
Anyone who is familiar with the Haitian social and political situation would be hard pressed to think this is a bad idea.
They had a solid legal reason to throw three known armed criminals in prison for a long time, but instead merely traded them a "get out of jail free" card for one inanimate object and a few rounds of ammo each. I find it very easy to think this is a bad idea.
If the UN can totally disarm the petty criminals of the island,
By what line of sanity do you reason that trading easily replaceable weapons for freedom & trinkets can possibly lead to "totally disarming petty criminals"?
 
ONCE YOU LET THE U.N. IN YOU'RE FINISHED!!!

I happened to be reading a news story about Haiti when Haiti allowed the U.N. in. They basically begged the U.N. in. People so RARELY have a long range view of things (they're scared of being called "conspiracy kooks" by the idiots out there who pile on you if you dare mention conspiracy truth concerning their hero: GOVERNMENT). The reality is that once you let the U.N. in you are FINISHED. You're done. Your sovereignty is OVER. They will NEVER never EVER ever NEVER leave. Your permanent future of dependency has begun and will never end. This was america's fate the SECOND the U.S. senate ratified the U.N. charter (which they admitted they NEVER read, just like they admitted they never read the "patriot" act).

A few of us have been trying for years to convince americans of this to no avail. Americans are too comfortable, and are content to believe the PROVEN LIE that the U.N. is A. harmless to them as americans (american arrogance rearing it's head), B. that having U.N. headquarters on our shores is harmless, and C. that being a MEMBER of the U.N. is a good thing because we allegedly have "power and influence."

U.S. troops have become quasi U.N. troops in a dozen places on the globe, and the last time I checked, bush has NOT pulled us out of Bosnia.

Bush supporters never want to talk about how bush dragged us BACK into UNESCO after Reagan wisely pulled us out. The reality is that bush FULLY SUPPORTS the global power structure. He FULLY supports the U.N. which means he is an enemy to the constitution (something he has proven in a hundred other ways).
 
"The reality is that once you let the U.N. in you are FINISHED. You're done. Your sovereignty is OVER. They will NEVER never EVER ever NEVER leave. Your permanent"

Aren't you conveniently forgetting the numerous countries the U.N. has left over the years? Yes, you are.

John
 
HAHAHAHA

Aren't you conveniently forgetting the numerous countries the U.N. has left over the years? Yes, you are.
Then NAME them if they are truly "countless" mr one liner with no supporting facts.

Clearly you didn't NAME them becuase you know that is a wet noodle of an argument. You KNOW that it is a misleading argument. You KNOW that the U.N. (or U.S. troops acting on BEHALF of the U.N.) are spread into so many places that it's almost comical.
 
t49si83, UN-bash is OT.

I didn't wear a blue helmet, but a lot of South Koreans were damned glad we were there.

If you wish to gripe about how the much of the world's "leadership" is missing their digestive systems, go to APS.

APS is explained in the Stickies.

Art
 
The Grand Inquisitor,

I have seen first hand with my own eyes how corrupt and worthless the UN is. I wouldn't trust anything they do.

And I have seen first hand a lot of the benefits the UN has given to underdeveloped countries.

The reality is that once you let the U.N. in you are FINISHED. You're done. Your sovereignty is OVER. They will NEVER never EVER ever NEVER leave. Your permanent future of dependency has begun and will never end.

Can you explain these countries then?

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/onumoz.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/untag.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/unasog.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/onusal.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/minugua.htm

U.S. troops have become quasi U.N. troops in a dozen places on the globe, and the last time I checked, bush has NOT pulled us out of Bosnia.

You mean the 340 that we have in Georgia, Liberia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Haiti, Kosovo, and a contingent monitoring truces in the Middle East?

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/contributors/2006/july06_1.pdf
 
I find it difficult to believe that those gang members were legit. Seems a little too staged. And if they were legit, they won't be alive much longer. Their rivals could make a powerful statement by killing them.
 
Back in the late seventies, my late economics professor had always said the UN was nothing more than a useless organization, and to this day he was indeed telling the truth.

The US should leave the UN, period.
 
Then NAME them if they are truly "countless" mr one liner with no supporting facts.

Clearly you didn't NAME them becuase you know that is a wet noodle of an argument. You KNOW that it is a misleading argument. You KNOW that the U.N. (or U.S. troops acting on BEHALF of the U.N.) are spread into so many places that it's almost comical.

__________________

"In March 1994, U.S. and other Western troops withdrew from Somalia, and by March 1995 the remaining African and Asian U.N. troops withdrew."

You want me to look up a few more examples for you or can you handle the work yourself? Want me to come over and read them to you?

John
 
Art you have to be kidding me, the TOPIC is about a U.N. action

Well I've heard it all now. Discussing the TOPIC of the thread is "off topic?" The topic of this thread is a U.N. action!

My comment was ALL about what it would be like to be in Haiti's shoes.

Here's a cut and paste of my supposedly "off topic" comment that was removed. Judge for yourself folks:

"By the way, I hear gun owners by the dozen claim that they "will shoot the blue helmets" if they ever show up. The REALITY is that is just big talk. The REALITY is that once the blue helmets appear (or any foreign troops acting as U.N. "peacekeepers"), you're done, it's over. These big talkers are too gutless to say that with respect to the U.N. building in NYC, yet THERE THE U.N. IS ON OUR SOIL RIGHT FRIGGIN' NOW! Frankly, I'd like to see regular protests at the U.N. building, and some ambush journalism of U.N. bureaucrats, but for THAT, americans would have to care about something BESIDES going shopping at the mall, or taking a pointless "vacation" every year. They'd have to stop spending piles of $$ for 200 crap channels of cable/satellite t.v. I don't expect americans to come back to reality anytime soon as long as they have this "support the troops at all costs" mindset towards the pointless/wasteful quagmire in Iraq and OpiumISTAN.

Currently, americans falsely believe that "america is tougher and has more resolve than the U.N." They falsely believe that their total fraud of a president is somehow "anti U.N." when the complete opposite is true. Ya know, in a sense, americans have convinced themselves that they've "bypassed," and thus "defeated" the U.N. You cannot wake people up from a delusion that keeps them COMFORTABLE."
 
This post is just as supposedly "off topic" and "un bashing" as mine was

Back in the late seventies, my late economics professor had always said the UN was nothing more than a useless organization, and to this day he was indeed telling the truth.

The US should leave the UN, period.
 
UN-bash is OT
Well then I guess the whole thread needs to be locked then because I tried to count the number of posts that "bash the U.N." and I lost count.

Art, there was no attack made towards you personally but you clearly took it that way. Subtract the emotion and the personalization of it.
Be cruel: Make somebody think.
In order to do that, the emotion needs to be turned off.
 
Who cares if the UN is rounding up guns in Haiti. I'm no expert in hatian law, but if they dont have a constitutional provision then its their own fault. The UN can round up firearms in every other nation but this one as far as I'm concerned.
 
"Three gang members surrendered their guns Monday "

When are they going to start rounding up the guns like the thread title stated? "U.N. rounding up guns in Haiti"

Surrendering isn't rounding up.

John
 
Surrendering isn't rounding up.
Technically that's true, but government is very skilled at terrorizing people into "voluntary" compliance. Several years ago, the IRS commissioner admitted that "the income tax system relies upon voluntary compliance."
 
We as ones who use our freedoms, need to help our gun owning brothers all over the world. not just as Americans.
 
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