Uberti 1858 NMA

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Oooooh yeah...and use a brass or phosph bristled brush to clean out the barrel (especially the forcing cone area for some reason). Scrub good....and FYI...a nylon brush wont do it as well as a brass brush for cleaning this time...you need the finer stiffer thinner bristles to scrub out the stuff you cant see. If you shot black powder or black MZ etc then a nylon brush will do...but pyrodex fouling especially mixed with bore butter requires the brass phospho brush in my experience. It will also scrub off the surface rust
 
I was once an avid user of felt wads. But now ive switched to hard lube discs which i still separate from the powder with a wax paper disc. They are stiff enough not to melt in very hot days or when your cylinder gets warm from shooting off a couple rounds. Ive noticed that you lose almost a grain or more from the powder touching the lube no matter how stiff it is. I experimented by loading a chamber and emptying the contents and checking what burns....and all the powder burns but the powder touching the wad soaked up some of the lube (even harder lubes like gatofeo #1) would burn slow...and you never notice this because you shoot it out the barrel. To some a grain or two of powder doesnt mean much but to me thats 5-10% of my usual load and i dont like losing or wasting powder and power/speed in. Also most of the felt wad lube is wasted and shot out the barrel....and it takes up precious space in my small .36 cal chambers. So ive switched to thin stiff lube discs and never looked back. I shoot mainly straight walled paper cartidges so it goes powder, wax paper disc, thin lube disc, wax paper disc, cardboard card disc, then ball/bullet of choice. Here are my thin lube discs...made from 1:5 or 1:6 mutton tallow to beeswax. Their thinness assures they completely melt and coat/lube the barrel.View attachment 874358
These are my cartridges..i did a write up recently if you look at the recent posting about labels for boxes and tins. If you look closely you can see the layer of lube disc in my paper cartridge
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I had to try your paper towel wafers. Excellent results in Colts and my lone Remington... I used 1 part jojoba oil and two parts beeswax as a cold weather lube and I’m very impressed with how easily everything cleans up and how I can keep the Remington running after many rounds down range. Don’t have a picture of the targets but this gun will shoot 12 rounds into 2.5 inches at 25 yards and likely better than that once the weather warms and I’m more comfortable at the bench.

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I got my first black powder revolver a couple of weeks ago. Got to shoot it yesterday. Did a good bit of reading on here to get a handle on how to do all of this.

So the 1858 is what a couple guys that shoot black powder recommended to me. I saw that recommendation echoed here and other places I researched.

Overall lots of fun. I shot three cylinders with no issues. I wasn't dressed for the cool weather setting in as the sun went down. Gloves didn't work well with the small trigger guard so between the cold and dark my session was cut a little short.

I used Hornady .451 balls to start. Also have Speer .454 and more Hornadys that are .457. Didn't bring a target to shoot, no idea if they were accurate. The no target thing is something odd I do when I bring something new. Attention to function over accuracy. Anyway... Since I was using smaller balls that didn't shave much of a ring I smeared Crisco shortening on front. This along with a lubed over powder wad under the ball. Overkill probably, but first time and all...

When it gets warmer I could see this being extremely messy. What can be melted/ mixed with the crisco to stiffen it up a bit? I've read beeswax but can't find any around here. Anything else more common?

CCI #10 caps didnt fit well, too tight. Remington #10's were just right. If the CCI's are small would the #11 of that brand be worth a try?

I'm going to trim the end of the inline capper to fit the cylinder better (versus the dremel thing on the recesses) and try the .454's next trip out to see how it shoots.

Any input on the caps and lube addition would be appreciated.

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I began black powder shooting with this Colt replica revolver. 9479A174-2F70-4726-BB30-B1DD3A6B371C.jpeg

For two reasons, one was it was what my grandfather gave me but he gave me the 1860 because Elmer Keith had spoken favorably of the original Colt revolver and the caliber. It’s been a faithful companion for 5 decades.
 
I had to try your paper towel wafers. Excellent results in Colts and my lone Remington... I used 1 part jojoba oil and two parts beeswax as a cold weather lube and I’m very impressed with how easily everything cleans up and how I can keep the Remington running after many rounds down range. Don’t have a picture of the targets but this gun will shoot 12 rounds into 2.5 inches at 25 yards and likely better than that once the weather warms and I’m more comfortable at the bench.

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Mr.woodnbow, you tried my paper towel thin wax lube discs? Favorable results? Im glad my advise given helped someone out. I did a write up on how to make them...is that where you got the instructions or did you just figure out how i made them? They arent difficult to make...especially for anyone whos made felt wads. Its just substituting the felt for a paper towel and making thin wads. So..care to provide details on your experience and results? Black powder or substitutes?
 
I did pretty much as you described the process with my own recipe for the oil/beeswax mix. It was a well written tutorial of a very simple but effective idea. I have a few stainless receptacles designed for use in steam tables that I pressed into service to hold the sheets of paper towel. I did single layer, double and triple layer as well and then cut them out with a wad cutter. At the same time I soaked a few wool felt wads and frankly that’s a messier procedure by far. I was able to run 4 cylinders full of full power loads thru the Ruger and 4 cylinders of target loads thru the Remington with no binding. I used the triple layer wads for these but they may be overkill. Very easy cleanup but I don’t usually have much trouble with that anyway. I find Swiss 3f to be relatively clean burning powder.
In the Colts I used single layer wads with good results but they usually don’t foul up like the Remington does. Typically I just keep adding powder and ball until I see degraded accuracy and then run a damp patch down the bore and continue. I think you thin wads work very nearly as well as the wax and oil impregnated wool or wonder wads. When we get some nice weather and time I will do more shooting for accuracy and compare them side by side. It’s a great idea, simple to make dandelion as you say, shouldn’t contaminate the charge with lube. The fouling is much softer and doesn’t build up as it will when shooting sans lube. Thanks for sharing it!
 
I had to try your paper towel wafers. Excellent results in Colts and my lone Remington... I used 1 part jojoba oil and two parts beeswax as a cold weather lube and I’m very impressed with how easily everything cleans up and how I can keep the Remington running after many rounds down range. Don’t have a picture of the targets but this gun will shoot 12 rounds into 2.5 inches at 25 yards and likely better than that once the weather warms and I’m more comfortable at the bench.

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I believe that is one of the most beautiful revolvers that I have ever laid eyes on!
Spectacular.
 
You need to water down the La Awesome. 50/50 cleaner to distilled water.

Stuff really does seem to work. I sprayed the whole thing well with diluted spray. Pushed a good bit of brown looking stuff (rust?) out of the bore. These patches ran clean out of the barrel just a couple days ago with the ML Originals solvent!

Hit it with WD40 and cleaned off after an hour or so. Covered it in Remoil for now.

This is a lesson I guess to take time to thoroughly clean. And figuring out how many of these "specialty" products are ineffective as well. Thanks for the info.
 
The brown looking stuff was not just rust...it was also bore butter waxy oil and pyrodex fouling. The LA Awesome is a really good gentle de-greaser and surfactant...it will pull all the junk out of the metals microscopic pores, way better than Dawn dishsoap. Dont get me wrong...Dawn is great and can can be all you need, but not in this situation where pyrodex and bore butter caused a rust issue. Would you say LA Awesome was worth the dollar? Lol i sure do.
 
Oh and to be certain the rust wont come back you will need to scrub with a brass bore brush, patches alone wont get it all out. This will ensure you get all that crud out of the pores.
 
I had to try your paper towel wafers. Excellent results in Colts and my lone Remington... I used 1 part jojoba oil and two parts beeswax as a cold weather lube and I’m very impressed with how easily everything cleans up and how I can keep the Remington running after many rounds down range. Don’t have a picture of the targets but this gun will shoot 12 rounds into 2.5 inches at 25 yards and likely better than that once the weather warms and I’m more comfortable at the bench.

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Tell us a little more about this NMA.
Where did you find one with the case hardened frame?
....and the grips?
Wow.
 
It’s a Pietta Shooters model, reworked and defarbed by John Zimmerman. He reblued everything and color case hardened the frame, slicked up the action and restocked it... he specializes in civil war guns. I really like the results but I have a tough time shooting it, the stocks are too small and typical of the Remingtons it bites my middle finger.
 
It’s a Pietta Shooters model, reworked and defarbed by John Zimmerman. He reblued everything and color case hardened the frame, slicked up the action and restocked it... he specializes in civil war guns.
Mr. Zimmerman, like many true artisans, is a difficult guy to work with. He doesn't care, because he knows people will beat a path to his door.

If you order work from him, prepare for a long wait. He is neither cheap nor quick, and he doesn't suffer fools gladly.
 
Mr.Armoredfarmer, its available at Taylors. A case hardened frame and ur choice of checkered grips and full fluted cylinder or plain grips and regular cylinder.
https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/han...rs/1858-remington-case-hardened.html?___SID=U
Not really Kid... the Taylors version is made by Uberti and not the same as the Shooters model Pietta. The Uberti is a nice pistol and my choice in the Colts but I have to say Zimmerman’s color case hardening is as good as I’ve seen anywhere. Compares favorably with Turnbull and like Turnbulls color, it’s real case hardening...
The price on the Uberti is nice though. They are good pistols.
 
Not really Kid... the Taylors version is made by Uberti and not the same as the Shooters model Pietta. The Uberti is a nice pistol and my choice in the Colts but I have to say Zimmerman’s color case hardening is as good as I’ve seen anywhere. Compares favorably with Turnbull and like Turnbulls color, it’s real case hardening...
The price on the Uberti is nice though. They are good pistols.

I'm curious what Pietta does to create their Shooter's model. Is it a super slicked up action? I see those for sale but the price is up there.
 
Mr. LaneP the shooters model i know does have larger cylinder chamber size to match the groove diameter. As far as other features i THINK it also has adjustable sights. But i know the shooters model matches groove diameter or is over by a thousandths of an inch or so. I slick my guns up by doing my little tricks...but one thing i swear by is having my chambers larger than groove diameter. My Pietta .36 navies all have .372 groove diameter so i had the cylinders reamed to .375 and chamfered chamber edges. I prefer the bullet/ball swaged into the chamber rather than cutting a ring of lead and that the bullet remains over groove diameter. It does help with gas cutting and has improved accuracy. Some others got the same results. Also helps to work the forcing cone especially with conicals...which is what i mainly shoot.
 
Progressive rifling, action parts are fitted more carefully and timed, cylinders are different too. They are bored to .456 and the barrel is.454 bore with 11 degree forcing cone. Much more hand work goes into these. They will put a cylinder full into a couple inches box stock. Tom Ball used to rework standard Piettas to equal the accuracy of these revolvers. Cost was nearly the same.
 
Mr. LaneP the shooters model i know does have larger cylinder chamber size to match the groove diameter. As far as other features i THINK it also has adjustable sights. But i know the shooters model matches groove diameter or is over by a thousandths of an inch or so. I slick my guns up by doing my little tricks...but one thing i swear by is having my chambers larger than groove diameter. My Pietta .36 navies all have .372 groove diameter so i had the cylinders reamed to .375 and chamfered chamber edges. I prefer the bullet/ball swaged into the chamber rather than cutting a ring of lead and that the bullet remains over groove diameter. It does help with gas cutting and has improved accuracy. Some others got the same results. Also helps to work the forcing cone especially with conicals...which is what i mainly shoot.

Thank you sir, great info.
 
Progressive rifling, action parts are fitted more carefully and timed, cylinders are different too. They are bored to .456 and the barrel is.454 bore with 11 degree forcing cone. Much more hand work goes into these. They will put a cylinder full into a couple inches box stock. Tom Ball used to rework standard Piettas to equal the accuracy of these revolvers. Cost was nearly the same.

That certainly explains it, thank you.
 
Would you say LA Awesome was worth the dollar? Lol i sure do.

Haha I sure would. The ML Originals solvent used was only $3 but its maybe 12 ounces? I can make a half gallon of this Awesome diluted for $1 and it seemed to get out what was left behind by the other stuff.

I have a friend that's giving me a Pietta 1860 brass frame next time he comes into town for $50. It's the shorter barreled (5 inch?) model. Whoever said something about them multiplying is right I guess...
 
Mr.slowfuse....it becomes an addiction and an obsession. You will end up thinking of nothing but black powder and its guns and how you have gone so long in life without it. It truely has changed me...and for the better.
 
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