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I wil lstart worrying about other countries gun ownership rights when our own are total and fully secured in all areas.

However, when it is a world body trying to get it passed it need to be stopped or at the least made perfectly clear we will not abide by it. Today it may be Libia or Sudan, but tomorrow what will be the 'hot zone" that they wish to apply it to?
 
I suggest you read some more

IANSA is the defacto writer of these UN arms treaties, and the following link explains exactly why we need to be suspicous of ANY "global arms treaty."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=201080

IANSA wants a global treaty to impose DC/UK/Australia/Canadian gun laws on everyone: gun ownership only allowed on an "as needed" basis, with the local police as sole arbiter of "need," and personal protection is not a recognized "need."


Will this current export treaty be a problem for the average US legal firearms owner? Probably not. But the state department opposition to a global treaty stems from the fact that a global consensus will most likley mean a watering down of current US export control laws.

Meanwhile, China is the source of the majority of illicit firearms used in global civil wars, and the source of illegal handguns in "handgun free" Australia, UK, and South Africa: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=205514

Since there are (2) potential problems with the treaty, and (0) upside, then there should be no treaty.
 
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No reasonable person believes that the UN is trying to, or has the abiltiy, to violate our 2nd Amend.

I guess I am not a reasonable person then...
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Better add me to that list too. :scrutiny: :scrutiny:
 
It's been my drift that IANSA's goal is to get the US to become a "treaty signatory," as opposed to having our own laws modified. The problem is then that there is no necessity for changing our laws --- the "treaty" can be abided by (the (in)appropriate officials with no legislative input. At least, that's the way all of the blah-blah was presented. I actually sat through the LaPierre/Peters Pseudo-Debate recordings. :banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: It makes for "interesting" viewing, provided on brings both paper bags: one for :barf: , the other for Ms. Peters ...

Unfortunately, many of the folks who might have benefited from an ability to protect themselves also did not benefit from oriiginal ownership of defensive weapons. It has largely not been a case of "prying their weapons from their cold, dead fingers" --- since their fingers were, in many instances, not connected to the rest of them anymore, and there were no weapons available for their warm fingers to begin with.

I find it interesting that we, as a nation, owe so much to others who supplied us with tools to obtain freedom; and that we have done the same time and time again for others; yet there are people here who give even mild consideration to the maunderings of Soros, Peters, and the like.

Whatever thoughts/feelings there are about the current administration, one thing that warmed my heart was the Bush/Cheney/Bolton reaction to the UN proposition (so artfully scheduled for the July 4th week).

Perhaps the best option for IANSA is to issue an edict to us --- and then ... Molon Labe.
 
With that last thought in mind...

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No reasonable person believes that the UN is trying to, or has the abiltiy, to violate our 2nd Amend.)


I guess that makes me one of the most unreasonable people on earth.
 
No reasonable person believes that the UN is trying to, or has the abiltiy, to violate our 2nd Amend.

Here's another UNreasonable person.
In point of fact, I don't believe the U.N. has any real "ability," per se -- they can't even punch their way out of a paper bag, and their supposed military are better known for running away from Somali "technicals than anything.
But, there is a danger, a danger they will foist some dumb treaty down our throat and our lame Democrat kongresskritters will sign on -- as well as the president. Depends on who's president when this happens. Dubya's only got 2 more years.
 
Seeing as if one day the US or one of its allies will be called it to mop up the mess, it would be nice if our soldiers are not facing 5 million 10 year old with AKs.-jaxnovice

nice thought. too bad nigeria's government, likely the institution that would be responsible for confiscating AKs from ten year olds, is the institution that arms them. that's some confusing, jumbled logic there jaxnovice.
 
When it comes down to it, I am an America first type of guy, but I can't ignore the screams of people who are gonna get killed when the wrong government gets the monopoly on guns. I also can't ignore the pressure that can be beared on a country which is different from all others, when the rest decide to punish it for not laying down.

We are actually in the minority here. Few nations allow the widespread armament of their civilian populaces. Most countries that do have largely armed populaces do their best to disarm their citizens.

In the same way that NFA '34 was the first step towards the current situation of highly unconstitutional laws, this would be the first in a line of laws specifically designed to put us in slavery.
 
A state is that body in any society which has the most coercive force.

If, at any time, any corporation or government has more coercive force that the rest of the society combined, they have essentially a monopoly of power.

In the modern world, this becomes the case when everyone except the state is disarmed or has no viable access to weaponry.

When this happens, anywhere, it is bad for everyone, everywhere.

If a living person, or people, can be considered to have a right to live, it follows, given the way the world works, that they must have a right to personally defend their own life. To negate this necessarily negates a person's right to live.
 
If, at any time, any corporation or government has more coercive force that the rest of the society combined, they have essentially a monopoly of power.

And absolute power corrupts absolutely. If not immediately, eventually.

I'll just say that it's hard for me not to think that Jax was (is) an anti from the start--wolf in sheep's clothing thinking that he can "convert" some of us.

Anyway, Jax if you're still out there, read the David Kopel article linked in this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=238146

Ask yourself want the removal of guns from Africa really accomplishes.

My 2 cents.
 
Screw the UN, anyone connected with them, anything they promote or try to enforce, and in short anything remotely concrening a bunch of tinhorn communist 4th world pompous dictators. Anyone who thinks the UN has ANY earthly value is suffering from a terminal case of brown eye madness. Joe
 
" Restrict to certain hot areas" is the key. Does that include Detroit, L.A., Chicago, New Orleans? When you put your rights, safety, and security in someones hands you better trust them. I don't trust the U.N.
 
You have to look at who will decide what areas are offlimits and what they mean by small arms.
It's a ruse to control people so they can not defend themselves from harsh and brutal government or government backed groups.
 
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