Grayrock
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Do these contraptions really exist? Are they just Hollywood hoopla? See them mostly in westerns, but Henrietta Lang has one.
Up the sleeve derringer
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DocRock
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Jim West had one, so they must be real.
Carrying a small caliber one strapped to your forearm should be very possible. It's the release mechanism and not bungling the catch that stump me.
Carrying a small caliber one strapped to your forearm should be very possible. It's the release mechanism and not bungling the catch that stump me.
Jerry M
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Hollywood BS.
herrwalther
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Ask Neal McDonough. He uses one as a character bad guy on Justified.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Justified_-_Season_3#EKOL_Tuna
I have no doubt it could work, made in a custom shop. It is not very practical, as arm sleeves would need to be rather large to conceal even a small firearm.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Justified_-_Season_3#EKOL_Tuna
I have no doubt it could work, made in a custom shop. It is not very practical, as arm sleeves would need to be rather large to conceal even a small firearm.
peacemaker45
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I remember as a teenager trying my best to figure a way to strap a knife to my forearm, but never had any luck. That's tender skin, and a big chunk of steel is pokey.
Strapping a BFK to an arm or leg is no big deal to us scuba divers, especially those of us who grew up watching Sea Hunt and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea on TV! The Fogcutter is still my favorite contraption, especially when shore diving, to let lurkers planning to break into my vehicle while I'm underwater see before I go in. No telling how much time before I surface again but that'll still be handy when I do surface!
https://www.xsscuba.com/knives/fogcutter-x-knife
Some hardcore types strap a BFK to a leg, a SFK to an arm, and then hang surgical snips or a Z-knife on a D-ring.
I'm pretty sure I saw a sleeve derringer as well as other assorted oddities being used by charachters in the Warrior TV series on Cinemax.
https://www.xsscuba.com/knives/fogcutter-x-knife
Some hardcore types strap a BFK to a leg, a SFK to an arm, and then hang surgical snips or a Z-knife on a D-ring.
I'm pretty sure I saw a sleeve derringer as well as other assorted oddities being used by charachters in the Warrior TV series on Cinemax.
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earlthegoat2
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Just as an academic query it is possible such a device would render a firearm NFA just like the wallet holster in tandem with the High Standard DA 22 mag derringer.
Apparently concealment devices can make weapons into AOW status. This is the only example I specifically know of though.
Edit to add: Specifically the wallet holsters are NFA because they allow the gun to be fired while still being concealed. (Don’t ask me who makes this stuff up).
An up the sleeve contraption is probably fine as long as the contraption does not allow the gun to fire from under the sleeve
Still and interesting notion.
Apparently concealment devices can make weapons into AOW status. This is the only example I specifically know of though.
Edit to add: Specifically the wallet holsters are NFA because they allow the gun to be fired while still being concealed. (Don’t ask me who makes this stuff up).
An up the sleeve contraption is probably fine as long as the contraption does not allow the gun to fire from under the sleeve
Still and interesting notion.
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jmorris
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I was self isolating today, aka cleaning and organizing in the shop and came across some of the parts of the project I mentioned earlier. Not sure where the rest of it went though. It’s a little rusty but I figured it was long gone since I remembered the building I built it in and I left there in 2003, not sure how many years before that it was made though.
The panel replaced the left side grip to mount the pistol to the contraption the black set screw holds the linear bearing onto the set collar and the 10-32 hole right below it had a ball detent set screw in it that held the pistol, with some resistance, into the grooves turned into either end of the rod.
So it “snapped” in place stuffed up the sleeve but if you made a “jerk” motion down or away, it would come down and snap in place in the hand, on the other end. The last ring on the end of the rod kept it from leaving completely.
I don’t know what the rest of it got repurposed for but the forearm “mount” bolted to the set collar on the back side with two more 10-32 screws. It mounted mid arm so when retracted the rod was more or less even with the elbow and the muzzle was behind the cuff and when presented it had just enough travel to make it into shooting position.
The panel replaced the left side grip to mount the pistol to the contraption the black set screw holds the linear bearing onto the set collar and the 10-32 hole right below it had a ball detent set screw in it that held the pistol, with some resistance, into the grooves turned into either end of the rod.
So it “snapped” in place stuffed up the sleeve but if you made a “jerk” motion down or away, it would come down and snap in place in the hand, on the other end. The last ring on the end of the rod kept it from leaving completely.
I don’t know what the rest of it got repurposed for but the forearm “mount” bolted to the set collar on the back side with two more 10-32 screws. It mounted mid arm so when retracted the rod was more or less even with the elbow and the muzzle was behind the cuff and when presented it had just enough travel to make it into shooting position.
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entropy
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Taxi driver used a home made one.
You talkin' to me?
Thunderchicken
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I am somewhat curious about this—since I can presumably fire my S&W J frame from my coat pocket, why isn’t my coat + pistol an AOW? Is it because it isn’t purpose-built as a holster? Or should I just not look for logic in the law (often a good rule of thumb)?
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Dude, stop giving them ideas! Keep that up and it'll be a crime to be armed unless nekid!
WestKentucky
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It goes under the topic of firearms that are not immediately recognizable as firearms. It disguises the firearm as a wallet. Much in the same way, and under the same regulations as a cane gun disguises a firearm as a walking cane. Your coat does nothing to change the visible appearance of the firearm.
kBob
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about 1961 as a kid I had a toy cap "derringer" that was mounted on a spring loaded contraption that strapped to the wrist and fore arm. There was a button of sorts that extended to the base of the hand. purposefully bending the wrist to bring the hand toward the forearm pressed the release and the cap gun was spring driven, still attached to part of the device, into your palm.
best excuse to wear my Sunday school jacket ever!
I want to say it was from Marx but maybe Mattel or maybe someone else entirely.
Another toy company made one that was simply hinged so it could not really be operated from a coat sleeve without jerking up the sleeve halfway to the elbow.
supposedly some bad boys would sew a bicycle trouser clip ( when is the last time you saw one?) into a sleeve of a coat with a pocket sewn facing the cuff and use the clip to hold in a small pistol during normal activity but a quick downward chop of the fore arm and the gun slid out and down the sleeve into the hand....or maybe clattered on the floor and got everyone's attention while they ran away!
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best excuse to wear my Sunday school jacket ever!
I want to say it was from Marx but maybe Mattel or maybe someone else entirely.
Another toy company made one that was simply hinged so it could not really be operated from a coat sleeve without jerking up the sleeve halfway to the elbow.
supposedly some bad boys would sew a bicycle trouser clip ( when is the last time you saw one?) into a sleeve of a coat with a pocket sewn facing the cuff and use the clip to hold in a small pistol during normal activity but a quick downward chop of the fore arm and the gun slid out and down the sleeve into the hand....or maybe clattered on the floor and got everyone's attention while they ran away!
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