URGENT: OHIO CCWs 65 Individuals At Risk For Felony CCW Charges

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Ohioans For Concealed Carry first heard of this news when numerous people saw a story on Channel 19 news indicating an instructor was using spring loaded guns other than firearms to provide training.

The following is an OFCC Exclusive update on this unfortunate course of events. Some sixty-five people in Northeast Ohio are potentially carrying firearms on licenses that have been revoked -- and they may not even know it.

Ohioans For Concealed Carry has learned that more than 106 individuals attempted to obtain a Concealed Handgun License from the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Office with a certificate that the Sheriff's Office has declared unacceptable proof of training. Licenses have been issued to the majority of those applicants.

According to the Sheriff's Office a Cleveland area training operation named "Akoben" on Lakeshore Blvd was issuing certificates to students who completed the "two hour live fire" requirement of Ohio's Concealed Carry law with spring loaded pellet guns, as opposed to firearms.

Further, the Sheriff's Office reportedly has statements from at least one student claiming that the instructor, Anthony Perry, alledgedly taught less than ten hours worth of classroom material. According to the Sheriff's Office Perry is a qualified instructor.

Due to the potential for felony charges against so many unsuspecting people, please help us forward this story on to everyone in Northeast Ohio that you know

The 106 individuals who were issued these education certificates applied with the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's office. It is unknown how many applicants applied in neighboring counties such as Lake, Geagua, or Lorain. Cuyahoga County issued licenses to only 90 of then 106 people who turned in certificates from Akoben, and apparently rejected the remaining 16 licenses for unrelated reasons.

One of those applicants denied caught the interest of Lt. Eakins with the Sheriff's Office during the background investigation. Due to a criminal history of the unknown individual a statement was sought from Perry. Eakins was trying to determine if the criminal applicant could be tied to owning or having a live firearm during the training class. This course of events led to the unintentional discovery that Akoben was not using real firearms in it's training class.

Lt. Eakins stressed that concealed handgun license applicants are solely responsible for determining that their instructor is both qualified to provide the training, and providing a legitimate class.

Eakins also stated that Perry has not been charged with a crime, but the case has been forwarded to the prosecutor.

When the Sheriff's Office decided to revoke the ninety licenses that were issued they sent certified letters to all ninety license holders advising them of the situation and the fact that they must surrender their licenses immediately.

Twenty-five individuals did so, and upon providing new proof of meeting the education requirement an unknown percentage of the twenty-five were handed back the very same license they originally obtained from the Sheriff's Office.

There are sixty-five individuals who never responded to those ceritified letters. According to Eakins a second certified letter will arrive at the addresses of those sixty-five individuals today (Friday), advising them that they are in possesion of revoked licenses, that they can be arrested and charged with carrying a concealed firearm, and that they must surrender their licenses.

Anyone caught carrying a concealed firearm with a revoked license can be charged with a Third Degree Felony.

Any license holder who fails to surrender their license before the 17th is subject to criminal charges for failing to comply with the Sheriff Department's order to surrender these licenses.

Ohioans For Concealed Carry strongly encourages our members and supporters to pass this story to every friend they have in the Northeast Ohio area. It is unknown how many license holders in surrounding counties have yet to learn that their licenses will eventually be revoked. By forwarding this story to everyone you know in the area, regardless of when they obtained their licenses, we'll have a better chance of reaching any potentially impacted students.

If neighboring counties are as cooperative as the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Office has been, those people probably should immediately seek third party training and attempt to rectify the situation before the Sheriff's Office contacts them.

Ohioans For Concealed Carry would advise anyone who feels their license may have been obtained with an illegal training certificate should stop carrying concealed and speak with an attorney.

Finally, it should be noted that Ohioans For Concealed Carry has made no attempt to contact Mr. Perry for comment. The fact of the matter is that the Sheriff Office has decided to revoke these licenses and criminal charges could be sought against unsuspecting license holders. OFCC feels it is imperative that this story be made public as quickly as possible. If Mr. Perry contacts OFCC and shares his side of the story, we'll glady consider publishing his response or rebuttle.

Should there be any developments we will follow this issue on our website, and through CCW-ALERT.
 
Yikes!

You'd think someone would be smart enough to realize that a concealed FIREARM would preclude paying for a license acquired with a BB GUN. Oh well. So much for mandatory training.
 
If an approved instructor is used to obtain a license then later that instructors approval is revoked, you'd think any REASONABLE government would just contact those impacted. It sounds like the Sheriff declared the training unacceptable AFTER the fact.

In Texas that is covered pretty reasonably.

(b) Notice of revocation; grounds. The department shall give written notice to each license holder of any revocation of that license. A license may be revoked if the license holder:

(1) was not entitled to the license at the time it was issued;

After that notification the person has 10 days to surrender the license, then figure out what to do to get it back.

This is just a HORRIBLE procedure in Ohio, wow.......
 
seems it would be easy to contact the people that were issued the permits to make them aware of the prob
 
f4t9r said:
seems it would be easy to contact the people that were issued the permits to make them aware of the prob

Sounds like that's what they've been trying to do:
they sent certified lettersto all ninety license holders advising them of the situation

There are sixty-five individuals who never responded to those ceritified letters. According to Eakins a second certified letter will arrive at the addresses of those sixty-five individuals today (Friday),...
(emphasis added)

The felony charge seems a bit extreme though. I couldn't agree more with El T - this is just yet another example of why requiring permits is a bad idea.
 
FREE training for Cuyahoga CHL revokees

Janitor said:
The felony charge seems a bit extreme though. I couldn't agree more with El T - this is just yet another example of why requiring permits is a bad idea.

There's no way that a felony charge would stick in front of a jury and upon appeal. It's nothing more than anti-gun grandstanding by the idiot law enforcement personnel.

On the other hand, since I am NRA Basic Pistol instructor in the relevant area, I will provide FREE training that meets Ohio's CHL requirements to any CHL holder who has had his or her license revoked because of this training inadaquacy.

Please contact me ASAP at the below email address. I'll probably try and schedule a course during the evenings the week of March 13, with the live fire training during the day over the following weekend.

Thanks,

Michael Courtney
[email protected]
 
Mr. Courtney,

May I be the first to come forward and thank you for this most gracious offer. That's one of the most thoughtful and generous things I've seen on THR in a while.

Thanks again!
-Parke1
 
On the other hand, since I am NRA Basic Pistol instructor in the relevant area, I will provide FREE training that meets Ohio's CHL requirements to any CHL holder who has had his or her license revoked because of this training inadaquacy.

Please contact me ASAP at the below email address. I'll probably try and schedule a course during the evenings the week of March 13, with the live fire training during the day over the following weekend.
Bravo Mr Courtney. I'd like to be the 2nd to thank you.
 
Michael,

It might be best to contact the OFCC directly with your offer. The folks affected by this would probably have a better chance of finding out about it from them. I'm an instructor as well, and would be glad to help you with that class if my schedule permits.


Tom
 
Thank You Mr. Courtney

Dear Mr. Courtney,

I posted this on THR as a way to get the message out to those who might be affected by it or know those who might be affected by it so they could 'pass the word'. I thank you for your offer to help. Best of luck all around.
 
So, the Sheriff's office approved the training, then revoked it when they found out the instructor was using bb guns? Seems like they should have looked a little more carefully into the training BEFORE they approved the licenses.
 
One more thank you to Mr. Courtney.

You are a true American.


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