USP or Ruger P94 - Which has better trigger?

[Hellbore]

I'm still debating whether to get a Ruger p94 in .40 s&w or a USP .40

Which has a better trigger? For me the biggest problem I have shooting is I am used to lighter triggers. My friend's USP .40 that I shot felt like it had a long, vague-feeling trigger, I felt like I never knew for sure when the gun was going to fire, and this was in single-action mode. I like short snappy triggers. I haven't been able to find a .40 Ruger to try at the local gun ranges.

Anyway, I can only spend $500 or less on a hangun for Christmas, and I really want to get one. I like the idea of the CDNN trade-in USP's but I don't know if I'll be able to live with the trigger.

Is there anything that can be done to improve the USP's trigger, make it shorter and snappier, get rid of overtravel, make it have a shorter reset, etc.? Or somehow improve the feel?

If not, is there another gun in .40 you guys can think of that has a nice trigger that is within my price range?

Yes I am a trigger snob. Maybe I just need to practice more, but when I shoot a gun that doesn't have a nice trigger, my accuracy is terrible.

 

[zahc]

I have a USP45 fullsize, and indeed, it has a bad trigger.

I've never shot a Ruger Pseries.

 

[10-Ring]

I have a few USPs in various calibers & sizes and have really grown to like the triggers...maybe it's an acquired taste, but I like it! Now if I were to choose between the Ruger or the HK, I'd go w/ the HK every time.

 

[Shake]

If you are truly a trigger snob and can't adjust to an average trigger, I'd suggest you're looking at the wrong type of guns.

Shake

 

[Hellbore]

What should I be looking at then? Anything in my price range that has a good trigger?

Just thought I'd mention, btw, I didn't mind the trigger on a Kahr p9 I shot, actually thought it was kind of nice, though it still doesn't compare to my buddy's expensive guns... I intend to buy one of these but first I want to get a larger gun in .40 s&w.

 

[Cruiser]

I'll admit to never having fired a P94, but among the guns I HAVE fired (and that's quite a few) the absolute worst triggers I've ever felt were on HK USP40's. I was a dept. armorer for the USP's when we issued them and have expeirence with more than a few. Worse than the lousy trigger pull was the fact they were unreliable. Between those two choices, I'd go with the Ruger.

 

[Shake]

Hellbore,

I'm not saying those two weapons are bad choices, just that if triggers are that important to you, I'd look at something different. The H&Ks and the Rugers will both have excellent reliability and durability. The triggers aren't bad enough to negatively affect my shooting.

If you seriously want a trigger with a short reset, and little overtravel, you'll narrow your choices down considerably. If you have to have that type of trigger, you'd likely do well with a 1911. You may give the SIGs a look as well, as they are known for having good triggers.

Shake

 

[WonderNine]

If you are truly a trigger snob and can't adjust to an average trigger, I'd suggest you're looking at the wrong type of guns.

What he said ^^^^^^

 

[clubsoda22]

The HK USP .40 i got from CDNN has a very nice trigger, especially for one of the early models. The DA is a nice short stroke with a positive break and the SA pull is light and crisp. It seems that the police armorer from where these trade ins came from upgraded them. The guns are also broken in.

A lot of things you hear about bad HK USP triggers comes from the pre-1995 guns that haven't been upgraded.

Last ruger Auto i picked up had a good SA but the DA was horrible, it was long and stacked. I think their steel guns have a better trigger than their poly guns do though.

 

[Shake]

club,

I agree that the H&K triggers are far from bad. I actually prefer the triggers on mine to most other DA/SAs out there. As I said, they don't negatively affect my shooting.

Shooting well with any decent trigger comes with trigger time. . .

Shake

 

[larryw]

The USP trigger will smooth up a bunch with use (shooting or dry firing). You can accelerate this by boosting the hammer while dry firing (unload gun, drip some oil on the sear and hammer spur, confirm gun is unloaded, push forward *gently* on the hammer and after you make sure the gun is unloaded, pull trigger). Do this a couple hundred times and your trigger break will be dramatically improved; Make sure to blast out the guts with brake cleaner once done. I think the majority of those who pan the USP trigger have only dry fired one at a gunshop and never shot the gun once it was broken in--internet lore. Also remember, takeup is designed into modern military-style triggers.

My advice is to locate a local range that rents guns and try a few. Include a 1911 in your evaluation (I know, its typically a 45 and you're looking 40): you should be able to find a good specimen for your stated price and the 1911 trigger is often very good.

 

[mrapathy2000]

ruger p94 has the worst trigger of the p series.

either way it can be worked on.

 

[Hellbore]

How about a 1911 style CZ-75 in .40 S&W? How would that compare to the USP .40? I can get the CZ from cdnn for $249 new (I think) whereas their used USP's are $399.

 

[Longbow]

If you're reffering to CZ40....

How about a 1911 style CZ-75 in .40 S&W?

I have the Colt Z40(DAO) its similar to the CZ40(DA/SA). The trigger pull is about the same as in Colt Python's DA pull or Beretta 92D.

 

[clubsoda22]

I think the majority of those who pan the USP trigger have only dry fired one at a gunshop and never shot the gun once it was broken in.

I guess that would be considered another plus for the PD trade in. Gun has been broken in.

It's amazing what 1000 rounds will do for a trigger. My taurus PT92 has an awesome trigger not what i've got 2.5 years of shooting on it.