vz58 922r what?

[Evil Monkey]

What's this I hear about not being able to use surplus vz58 mags in vz58 rifles because of 922r?

Are the receivers made in Czechoslovakia or the US? Is it correct that if the receiver (the "firearm") is made in the US, then the rest of the rifle can use foreign parts and still be 922r compliant?

 

[Dollar An Hour]

Receiver is Czech-made.

2 of the US-made compliance parts are in the mag from CZ (floorplate & follower). So I guess to be 922(r) compliant you'd need to buy the surplus mags and change floorplate & follower. Or better yet, install a US-made piston and just change the mag floorplates, which is a real piece of cake.

 

[nalioth]

Is it correct that if the receiver (the "firearm") is made in the US, then the rest of the rifle can use foreign parts and still be 922r compliant?

That is incorrect.

Here is another rendition of the 922r law:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR478]

[Page 101-169]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 478--COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION

on page 119....

[T.D. ATF-270, 53 FR 10494, Mar. 31, 1988]

Sec. 478.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun
using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this
section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under
section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily
adaptable to sporting purposes.
(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution
by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or
agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political
subdivision thereof; or
(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of
testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the
provisions of Sec. 478.151; or
(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into
or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the
replacement of any part of such firearm.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Magazine followers
(20) Magazine floorplates

Bottom line, if it can't be imported w/o being swaddled with a thumbhole 'sporting stock' or other changes to make it look less "evil" (if a gun can be 'evil' [another story]), it has to comply with 922r.

 

[FEG]

First of all, not all vz-58s are the same.

Complete Rifles:

CZ-USA = Receiver manufactured by D. Technik a.s., Czech Republic. Rifles assembled by TGI of Knoxville, TN from the Czech receivers, new Czech and Slovak manufactured parts, and some older CSSR vintage parts. TGI manufactures and/or subcontracts the necessary compliance parts.

Ohio Ordnance Works = Rifle manufactured from OOW receiver and CSSR parts kits. Some of the compliance parts may or may not be subcontracted.

Atlantic Arms = I have no idea. I think these are made on Czech receivers. This was later confirmed by nalioth.

MarStar (Canada only) = My understanding is that these are manufactured in the Czech Republic using new receivers, some new Czech and Slovak parts, and some parts from CSSR vintage kits. In other words, they are similar to the CZ-USA imports, but they don't have to worry about 922(r) compliance. Magazine capacity is limited to 10 (ten), however. If I understand nalioth correctly, there are two different barrel lengths for Canadian legal reasons.


Kit Builds:

To my knowledge, you cannot buy a Czech receiver by itself from TGI or CZ-USA. Both new production Czech and Slovak receivers have been available from other sources, but I cannot find them for sale as of today. A lot of the home builds are using one of the following U.S. manufactured receivers: Ohio Ordnance Works, Ohio Rapid Fire, or Prexis.


EDIT: I got out my rifle to give someone else the rollmarkings, and I just noticed the markings indicate that D. Technik a.s. is in the Czech Republic, not the Slovak Republic.

 

[FEG]

The CZ-USA vz-58 Sporter models have the following U.S. manufactured parts for the purposes of compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 922(r):

1.Magazine follower (polymer);

2.Magazine base (polymer);

3.Trigger (polymer);

4.Sear (steel); and

5.Disconnector (steel).



In other words, the OEM magazine and all magazines sold by CZ-USA are remanufactured military surplus with two U.S. compliance parts. Most mil surp magazines are dark gray to black. The remanufactured magazines are refinished in black, but obviously use mostly surplus parts. (The mag spring on the OEM magazine was caked with cosmoline.)


The following parts count against the ten maximum imported/foreign manufactured parts for the purposes of compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 922(r):

1.Receiver;

2.Barrel;

3.Barrel extension;

4.Bolt;

5.Bolt carrier;

6.Gas piston;

7.Buttstock (fixed, folding, or Zytel);

8.Pistol grip (The Zytel stock is considered as having a separate pistol grip);

9.Handguard (both peices considered one); and

10.Magazine body.



Obviously, a rifle built on an American made receiver "picked up" a part that way. US manufactured gas pistons are also available. Therefore, the vast majority of kit builds on American receivers can likely use unmodified mil surp magazines. The CZ-USA rifles cannot.



Here is a thread at CZF discussing the various options for making a CZ-USA rifle compliant with 922(r) and mil surp magazines.

http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/t...-58-Sporters-and-18-USC-922-r-Compliance.html

 

[nalioth]

Ohio Ordnance Works = Rifle manufactured from OOW receiver and CSSR parts kits. Some of the compliance parts are subcontracted.

OOW manufactures or markets all required parts for 922r compliance.

Atlantic Arms = I have no idea. I think these are made on Czech receivers.

These are CZ-USA guns.

MarStar (Canada only) = My understanding is that these are manufactured in the Czech Republic using new receivers, some new Czech and Slovak parts, and some parts from CSSR vintage kits. In other words, they are similar to the CZ-USA imports.

These are also offered with longer barrel lengths. All Czech/Slovakian parts ( no 922r in the great white north ).

To my knowledge, you cannot buy a Czech receiver by itself from TGI or CZ-USA. This means all of the home builds are using one of the following U.S. manufactured receivers: Ohio Ordnance Works, Ohio Rapid Fire, or Prexis.

You can buy a Czech or Slovakian receiver from Centerfire, Century and many other vendors. You then have to figure out where to get the 922r parts or pony up the tax money for an SBR stamp ( no 922r required on NFA items ).

 

[FEG]

OOW manufactures or markets all required parts for 922r compliance.

I called them about a month ago, because their website didn't list any vz-58 compliance parts for sale individually; you have to buy the entire kit/package. They told me they didn't sell them individually because they came from their supplier that way. Not trying to start a whizzing match; they could have been trying to ditch me since the person to whom I spoke knew it wasn't for one of their rifles.

You can buy a Czech or Slovakian receiver from Centerfire, Century and many other vendors.

I didn't know about these at all; I just looked and they are sold out (Century and Centerfire). At any rate, that still means that they are out there; good to know. Any other suggestions of where to look?

Century has the single stack version of the complete rifle with the Zytel stock. If these are cheap enough, I could see myself getting one and turning my first rifle into a folder.

 

[chp11]

front vertical grip

what about a front vertical grip? does this count as a copmliance part?
im thinking about putting a fab defense (israli made) front vertical grip / bipod on my VZ 58. This would be adding a foreign part with out removing a foreign part, so Im not sure i could get away with it.

I dont see it listed as complience part, but would ask instead of finding out the hard way?

has any one heard of the front grip causig compliance problems?

 

[nalioth]

what about a front vertical grip? does this count as a copmliance part?

Only the pistol grip next to the trigger is a countable part.

 

[pkoch62]

No, because only that parts listed in nailoth's earlier post "count" towards 922r compliance. A vertical foregrip is not on that list. This actually works in our favor most of the time, 922r would be far worse if every little spring, pin, and rivet were counted as a "foreign part".