WA State Alien Firearms Licenses Part II

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to put it in perspective

Ya know if I had married a woman from Nevada , I could now buy , own and shoot a Browning M2 machine gun (not that I could afford to buy or shoot one ) but I would be allowed , as it is I cannot even touch a single shot .22 without being in danger of arrest , jail time and deportation .:banghead:
 
1052 info

JUDI - Majority; 1st substitute bill be substituted, do pass.

Judiciary gives it a thumbs up.. off to rules then.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=1052

Still applies to non-immigrant aliens...

Says it fixes some problems, makes no mention of 14th amendment violations, which is no surprise.


So on to the next task...

Contact the rules committee and hopefully the Rules committee gets this done.
 
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Mike Armstrong
Barbara Bailey
Frank Chopp
Richard DeBolt
Deborah Eddy
Mark Ericks
Tami Green
Bob Hasegawa
Zachary Hudgins
Norm Johnson
Troy Kelley
Lynn Kessler
Joel Kretz
Dan Kristiansen
Marko Liias
Jim Moeller
Dawn Morrell
Jeff Morris
Daniel Newhouse
Sharon Tomiko Santos
Joe Schmick
Larry Springer
Kevin Van de Wege
Judy Warnick
 
Okay, I'm admitting, I'm not the most eloquent, nor the most coherent letter assembler at times, would someone like to tackle this in a form letter we can email?

I'm running up against a bunch of stuff here I need to get done.

However, I will assemble an email list.

Thank you.
 
Here's the pro-forma I've used before

RE: HB 1052 as sponsored by Representative Moeller et. Al.

This bill has been proposed to try to eliminate the Catch-22 situation that currently exists in possession of Firearms by both Legal Permanent Resident Aliens and Non-Immigrant aliens, by requiring an Alien Firearms License that cannot be issued by the issuing body.

As an LPR I believe that the current situation violates my second amendment rights, as given by the 14th amendment for equal protection and due process. This view is also held by the National Rifle Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation who are currently pursuing this through the State Federal Court.

It appears that the reading of this bill was referred to General Government Appropriations on Feb 2nd, given the current legal action being taken against the state it would seem prudent to both ensure that this bill is heard and ratified at the first opportunity.

Thank you for your time.
 
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That's cool..

I whipped this up over lunch, I did it this way because it seems to me that the people in Olympia would only focus on NRA and SAF and figure "no way, those feaking gun nuts"...

You probably get what I mean, they tend to hyper-focus on such things.

I attack it under the basis that it is discriminatory, only WA State does it, it is in violation of federal law, it still requires non-immigrants to get the license etcetera..

any who...

RE: HB 1052-2009 as sponsored by Representative Moeller et. Al.

Currently in Washington State, all Legal Permanent Resident Aliens, also known as "Green Card Holders" or “LPRs”, are required to obtain an Alien Firearms License from the Washington State Department of Licensing if they choose to own, borrow, rent or even as so much as hold a firearm, without fear of prosecution leading to deportation. This is in accordance to the current RCWs such as 9.41.070, 9.41.097, 9.41.0975, & 9.41.170 etc.

Amendment XIV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution states the following:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


In the remaining 49 States of the Union, LPRs are not subject to any such licensing. In the case of compulsory licensing for LPRs who reside in Washington State; it appears quite clearly that Washington State is, at present, in violation of the 14th amendment rights of all Legal Permanent Residents.

Washington State HB 1052-2009 has been proposed to eliminate the current discriminatory situation against LPRs. The laws affected and or modified by the passing of HB1052-2009 do not affect the mandatory licensing for Non-Immigrant Aliens; therefore the amended law(s) would not be in direct contradiction of Federal Laws.

As a Legal Permanent Resident who currently resides in Washington State, and is directly affected by the current RCWs, I would hope that you would be in favor of amending such discriminatory laws by supporting the immediate passing of HB1052-2009.


Thank you for the honor of your time.
 
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I like yours too.

Maybe if we hit 'em alternating, scare them with the NRA/SAF since we're all obviously raving redneck gun-nuts, followed by the discriminatory aspect, since WA is a supposedly progressive state, and possibly has one of the highest counts of Legal Permanent aliens and Non-Resident Aliens (who become LPRs) of all states in the union, as a percentage of population.

Either or, I sent mine already :)
 
I used your form letter, thanks. Just got this reply from one of the recipients:

Hi Ben, actually after 9-11 the federal government passed legislation that says that legal aliens had to get their gun permits from a law enforcement agency and Rep. Moeller’s bill HB 1052 moves that authority to issue the permits from the DOL to the sheriffs and state patrol to bring us into compliance with the federal law.



Maureen Gallegos
Legislative Assistant to
Representative Jim Moeller, 49th District
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504
360-786-7872

Any idea what she's talking about? I sure don't.
 
Call her on it, tell her to provide you with proof, be nice about it, "I'd like to see that on paper please..." etcetera.

To me, she seems to be talking about the fact that the FBI told the DOL they could not access the NLETS background checks, only a LEA could have access to the information...

What she's saying is we still need a license, but we get it from the Sheriff, which is BUNK! since only WA State has the stupid license for green card holders.

If what she thinks is true then every State of the Union would have a similar license for a LPR, and they DO NOT...

{/ MD smacks forehead with palm...
 
Yeah, also point her at the USCIS Dept Homeland Security.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/100q.pdf

Question 50 Name one right only for United States citizens
Question 51 What are two rights of everyone living in the US

Explain she might fail a Citizenship test, and you're concerned that she's a legislative assistant who has shown a distinct lack of knowledge that any newly naturalized Citizen should know.:banghead:
 
Already sent:

Hi Maureen,

I do not know about the federal legislation to which you refer. What gun permits? I do know that my brother-in-law in Texas, who was until last year a legal alien (now a US citizen), required no "gun permit" whatsoever to buy/own a firearm in Texas. Same for when he lived in Oregon. I'm hoping that the same will apply in Washington State to my Canadian wife after HB1052 passes. Please clarify what you wrote in the last message.

Best regards,

Ben
 
Gungnir.. LOL.. Yeah I've seen that before too..

Good job carnaby, I run into this a lot with friends in Idah, they always want to know about the permit/license, they find it quite ridiculous that we LPRs made it this far to get a green card since they know we've been really grilled for background checks...


You know how uppity we can get LOL
 
I got a direct response from Jim Moeller, who was represented in the last email by Maureen Gallegos:

Hi Ben:

You are correct. Legal residents (except legal, immigrant and non-immigrant aliens) do not currently need a “gun permit” to own or possess a firearm in Washington State EXCEPT for a Concealed Weapon Permit. If HB1052 is passed and signed by the governor, then legal immigrant (RESIDENT) aliens will be exempt from the requirement of having a AFP and will only need a “permit” for a Concealed Weapons Permit.

Only non-immigrant aliens coming to hunt or participate in a shooting event or competition will be required to possess a AFP to be in possession of a weapon. I hope this help clarify.

-jm

To which I responded:

Yep, that's what I thought. So I hope that you will support the bill!

Thanks!

-Ben
 
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