WA State Alien Firearms Licenses

[Darth Muffin]

MD, best of luck in your fight with WA state. When the legislature is in session next I will certainly call my reps and let them know about this.

Until then, the 14th amendment may not apply in your case. It says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You're not a citizen of the United States, so depending on how you intend to apply this to your problem it may not help.

However (and this is OT for this thread), the 14th Amendment would apply to something like Oregon's concealed license, which is shall issue for residents and may-issue for residents of other states.

 

[MD_Willington]

09/13/07 10:33 AM

Matt,
I am sorry there wasn't more we could do for you at this time. Senator Schoesler will visit with staff to suggest looking at legislation to address this issue in the next session. We understand that it doesn't help your current situation, but our hands are tied until the language is addressed in current law. We even went so far as to ask for a temporary license, but it was not possible.
I hope we can do something to remedy this problem.
Sincerely,
Krista Winters
Legislative Aide to
Senator Mark Schoesler

 

[TheloniousBonk]

I'm in the same boat. I live in WA and went in on Friday to get my alien firearm permit, only to find out about this mess.

Like you, I can't get my citizenship until 2010. But I don't have high hopes of this getting resolved before then. I guess time will tell.

BTW, clause (4) sounds like it only applies to visiting Canadians, not resident Canadians.

 

[MD_Willington]

I was just contacted by my local Representative http://www1.leg.wa.gov/house/schmick/

He has inherited the AFL issue from David Buri...

He just wanted to get in contact with me regarding the issue as the 2008 sessions are rapidly approaching.

 

[carnaby]

Any new word? I'd like my wife to get her permit. She probably should just get her citizenship, but that takes longer and costs more.

Also, any Washington Stater's interested in getting the silly firearm sound suppressor law changed so we can actually use them?

 

[Diamondback6]

Carnaby, I'm interested. We tried last year, but the politicians of a certain party *cough, cough* blocked it...

 

[carnaby]

How did you go about trying that? I'd like to get involved. There's a lot of ammo in terms of how Europe, esp Finland, deals with the issue.

 

[user3214]

I'd be interested in helping out as well.
At the moment there are 2 bills http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2007&bill=1011 -scheduled for review this Friday. The bill in messed up.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2007&bill=5456 -this is where the correctly written bill is.

 

[MD_Willington]

We have a new Rep;

http://www.leg.wa.gov/House/Schmick/

He called me about the issue, so far haven't heard anything from him.

I know him from his other business, he owns the vending machines where I work !


So the engrossed bill turns it over to the County Sheriff... good to know, I've met him a few times, IIRC friends of his are friends of ours..

Sometimes I love living in small towns !

 

[Diamondback6]

@Carnaby: Some GOP reps who are on our side introduced a bill to decriminalize noncriminal (i.e., not in process of committing a crime) suppressor use, but the Blue Team wouldn't give it the time of day.

 

[carnaby]

Wha? Really? I didn't know that. I wonder what the blue team has against decreasing the noise pollution in the woods?

 

[MD_Willington]

Report them to OSHA.. LOL

 

[dvdivx]

Any news on this the vote was supposed to be on Friday.

 

[MD_Willington]

No news here.. I'll send my rep an email

addendum:

TO: Representative Joe Schmick
CC: Senator Mark Schoesler
FROM: Mr. Matthew Willington

BILL: 5456
SUBJECT: SB 5456 - 2007-08
MESSAGE:

Hello.

Joe* called me a little wile ago regarding the non-issuing of AFL's in WA State.

I see that SB 5456 - 2007-08 was in the house on Jan 14 2008.

Just wondering how things went with SB 5456 - 2007-08

Thanks

MD Willington

cel.
work.

RESPONSE: Mr. Willington has requested a response to this message.

* I know "Joe" on a first name basis.. I know I should have been a little more formal, but hey, it's Saturday night...

 

[MD_Willington]

Monday, January 21, 2008

Matt,

Senator Schoesler asked me to thank you for your message - he hasn't
seen any formal action on this issue to date, but will watch for it.

Thanks for taking the time to write.

Krista Winters
Legislative Aide to
Senator Mark Schoesler

 

[user3214]

Please contact your representatives this is the only way the bill will pass.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx

I contacted Ross Hunter, he said he'll read the bill and look into fixing the DOL issue.

I am happy with his response. We just need to get more representatives to look into the issue

 

[eliphalet]

She probably should just get her citizenship, but that takes longer and costs more.

In some ways I understand but that statement Kinda speaks for it's self doesn't it?
We want the benefits of citizenship but don't wanna wait or pay the price.
Oh I forget, this is America the land of gimmies.

I wouldn't expect to go live in Mexico or Canada or the UK or anywhere for that matter and think all that is available to or for the citizens of that country would be available for me a alien, why should all of you expect that here?

Here you are living in the greatest country on the planet and your griping about the laws and how things are done here.
Reminds me of the folks that move here to Idaho from heavily populated, liberal, crime infested areas to escape all that, then grip about "how we did it back home in such and such" griping that that;s the way it otta be here too.

Sorry guys no sympathy here.
Play by the rules and become a citizen when you can. In the mean time enjoy the privilege you have of even being here at all

 

[user3214]

Perminant resident rights are “To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions”

Actually yes if you move to live in Mexico, Canada or UK and establish permanent residence you would get all benefits, health care, pension, unemployment insurance and so on. You would have the same gun rights there as a citizen would(at least Canada & UK)

Your ignorance is saddening, this is a community where people should come with the same hobby and support each other.
This the same as saying – after all guns are banned – no sympathy there buddy, become a cop and you’ll have one.

 

[furball]

I am a permanent resident lives in Tennessee and here we have the same rights to firearms as citizens (We pay the same tax, why shouldn't we have the same rights?) . Pretty much the only right you don't have is vote. I was planning to move to Seattle area next year or two because of the beautiful mountain and ocean. But this issue is troublesome. Best wishes to user3214, otherwise I have to either stay or give up my guns. And please keep this issue posted. Thanks.

 

[MD_Willington]

I'm in District 9...

District Legislators
Senator Mark Schoesler
Representative Steve Hailey
Representative Joe Schmick


So far I have 2 out of 3 on it...

 

[MD_Willington]

Matt,
Here is the history of SB 5456 per your request. As you can see, the bill passed out 48-0 in the Senate last year, and was held up in House Judiciary Committee. The Chair of that committee is Representative Pat Lantz.

I hope this information is helpful. The Senate did substitute the bill and changes are noted in the included Bill Report.
Joe Schmick
State Representative

 

[MD_Willington]

http://housedemocrats.wa.gov/members/lantz/


[email protected]

 

[MD_Willington]

TO: Representative Patricia Lantz

FROM: Mr. MD Willington
BILL: 5456 (For)

SUBJECT: Bill 5456

MESSAGE: Rep. Patricia Lantz

I am a legal resident alien of Washington State, have been for the last 8 years (green card holder as of June 2005), & I do plan on getting my US citizenship as soon as possible (June 2010).


In 2002 I applied for, an received my WA State Department of Licensing (DOL) Alien Firearms License (AFL) as per RCW 9.41.170 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.170)


The license I had was good for 5 years after the date of issue, my AFL expired 8/20/2007, & I had planned on getting a new AFL months before it was due to expire.


As it stands the DOL cannot issue any new AFLs, I have however sent the DOL specific instructions from the FBI as to how the DOL could access the NLETS system for background checks.

Since I cannot get a new Alien Firearms License, I've arranged for my firearms be secured with a family friend, a natural born American citizen for the time being.


I would hope that WA State would allow for local County Sheriffs to take ownership of the AFLs since it already deals with the CPLs and they can readily access NLETS via the FBI



Thank you for the honor of your time.

MD Willington

RESPONSE: Mr. Willington has requested a response to this message.

Sent this to Representative Patricia Lantz... lets see what happens..

 

[Diamondback6]

Lantz is a definite anti, don't put much hope in her.

 

[MD_Willington]

Well, I gotta do something...

In other news, we're looking at selling our house in WA State ATM, realtors came yesterday...

We have two options... stay in WA State, or scoot on over to Idaho...

I'd hate to run away from this one now...