WA State Alien Firearms Licenses

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Lots of stuff "sucks"

Present company excepted.
"Unalienable human rights know no border" is a high-and-mighty-sounding phrase, which ends where your unalienable right to swing your fist conflicts with my nose, or where an illegal alien just "out for a stroll" stumbles upon the U.S./Mex. border and drops in as a "guest" for a few months. (I said "present company excepted. and meant it.) Anyone who has done all of the leg-work and back-work aimed at becoming a bon fide citizen should have similar opportunites as "real Americans" (whatever those are!) But a felony is gonna be hard to cover. Don't U.S. felons give up the right to vote, and to own firearms of any kind? But the law needs to be modified to accomodate all of us, or else sooner or later it will be used to disarm ALL of us. All of us are in the boat together.
 
I called them approximately one year ago about this issue.

SAF didn’t seem interested in the issue or interested in helping. Hopefully you have better luck.
 
New but fired up

Hi Guys,

I am here to day because I went to purchase a firearm today and after 2 months of researching the arm I wanted and being told "are you a WA resident?" "yes". "good-ok". I found out about this Alien Firearm License stuff. I was like great more money and paperwork BS.

Now after going to the DOL site and finding out that it is not possible to get one because of some inability for the authorities to get records :banghead:. I am now like really upset.

Guys, I will be calling around tomorrow to find out any info that I can and I will be working on this issue. I have a little bit of a reasonable understanding about laws or should I state "statutes". And believe me I will be kicking all the rocks over on this one. Sure we could try to sue the state, but the question is how are you going to win and on what technicality can you beat them on.

I wish I new about this earlier. After reading all the previous posts and the implications, I am like very disappointed that I was not able to pitch in and help. But I am here now so I will try to double time it all the way.

If anyone has any info to bring me up to speed in this issue that would be great. There has to be away around this.
 
There are a few ways to challenge the current laws:
1. Challenge under 2nd amendment – the hardest to do
2. Challenge under 14th amendment and equal protection laws – easier to do
3. Challenge the section of the law which is not enforceable: - easiest to do
(b) Before issuing an alien firearm license under subsection (1) of this section or this subsection (2), the director of licensing shall ask the local law enforcement agency of the jurisdiction in which the alien resides to complete a background and fingerprint check to determine the alien's eligibility under RCW 9.41.040 to own, possess, or control a firearm. The law enforcement agency shall complete a background check within thirty days after the request, unless the alien does not have a valid Washington driver's license or Washington state identification card. In the latter case, the law enforcement agency shall complete the background check within sixty days after the request.

Also it’s worth contacting local universities as they have programs where they help out for free.
 
I know this sucks. My wife is Canadian and this is a royal PITA. She's eligible for citizenship now, but isn't particularly motivated. One of these days...
 
yet another second class human

I am a U.K. national married to a U.S. Citizen. I have a 10 year unconditional green card and I pay U.S. taxes on my wordwide income. I was the Secretary of a target rifle cub in the U.K. for 14 years.
We are moving from Florida to Washington State in 3 weeks for my wife's new job. She has been trying to get a job and working on it 10 hours per day, 7 days a week for 6 months. I am retired

Here in Florida I am totally equal to my wife apart from voting.

It seems that Washington will put me into an underclass who have different rights to others. My hobby will no longer be allowed.

I had more than a year of intense scrutiny for my green card. I was weighed, fingerprinted, photographed, had my police records scrutinized, went to the U.S Embassy in London for grilling, was stripped and poked around for the Embassy medical and had an FBI check to complete.

I can't even have a single shot .22 target rifle in Washington

I would fight for the rights of any American based in the UK if anyone ever proposed discrimination on anything

These Jim Crow laws are wrong.

I have to come to Washington and be a second class human for years until I get citizenship - is this really America ? Is this really what the revolution and the constitution were all about ?

One state out of 50 does this
 
Allserene,

Contact me when you get to Washington, please.

I can't help but comment on the contrast between your handle and the tone of your post. It just struck me as amusing, especially as I agree wholeheartedly with your statements. :D

Pops
 
Will do !
Yes I used to be allserene - now I am allfuming... we drove down the mountain to Wenatchee and I got pulled by the cops using a plane . Welcome to Wenatchee - $113 for 70mph in a 60 -----20 miles from the nearest grizzly. I mentioned it to the waitress next morning and she said she got one same day april 1st ! Then I went to see a realtor in Wenatchee - he had moved from San fransisco and he was coming down the same stretch (we both swear there are no speed markers for miles) and he got a ticket too ! Seems speed tickets are instead of state income tax and they hand em out like confetti
I went to the court building to pay the fine an hour after I got the ticket and an Indian lady was being frog-marched down the street in leg irons and handcuffs with a chain between them. It was like watching charles dickens film of hundreds of years ago. I was genuinely shocked though I spent 6 years as police officer in my twenties. So I got a really bad impression of Washington day 1 and now I read that people want to stamp ALIEN on my driver's license (just a proposal right now) and also treat me like a pre civil war non -citizen slave as far as having a .22 pop gun is concerned ! I will get a felony conviction, jail, and get deported if I pick up a gun to look at it

My wife is really upset because she needs this job in Washington and she knows I have grave doubts now, and my first impressions are that it's a scary place with scary laws and overbearing policing

We will go to live there because we must, but I am going to push the politicians HARD to make this place more humane and tolerant starting with discrimination against genuine Green Card holders who have already been vetted down to the last tiny detail of who they are and what they are.

Some people say accept a new place's rules or don't go - same people who say black people should accept sitting at the back of the bus or walk. I reject that - I am coming to Washington and I intend to take my place as a fully paid up human being of the only class of human in the USA - which is first class, and to speak my piece.

OJ is ok but I am not ! phew, think I will have a beer and a cold shower.
 
MD, move East, Idaho will be glad to have you.

Alleerene, back home in the UK is always a option, I do think you have the freedom to go back if it is that bad here in America.
 
A perfect example - I want to change the gun laws to be fairer to all while keeping people safe

If the reaction is 'you are an outsider-go home' then there will be no progress with anything including gun laws

America is a nation of immigrants who wanted to constantly change things for the better so I don't apologise for being one of those

I don't intend to spend the first few years as 'underclass' with less human rights, simply because of the color of my passport. I am a legal permanent resident with the same human rights as a citizen -
see the 14th amendment which extends legal rights to all, citizen or not

Anyone who has an interest in shooting and keeping the laws fair should bond together and not exclude later comers to the State
 
I don't intend to spend the first few years as 'underclass' with less human rights
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Fine, I really don't have a problem with that.
Work like MD then, do like he has been doing. I am not big "alien" fan but he has earned my admiration, we need citizens like he will become, not grip about your host like post 190, 192. That will, I guarantee you, not win friends and influence folks or win you any sympathy either.
That attitude will earn you a " Oh well, so what, ya don't like it go home" and thats about all.
 
Well unless you are American Indian, you come from a family of Aliens yourself - so not being an Alien fan is not being a fan of your own family.
I know what you mean though and people want newcomers to be subservient - a bit like a new boy in school.

When I was in the rifle club, we got a new member who didnt like the way anything was. The club had been formed in the First world war (1914 -1918), and was used in the second war (1939-1945). It was musty dusty and stayed the same for 40 years. He got cracking and organised a whole new shooting range with grants from various bodies and fund raising activities etc. Instead of shooting in some old stables, we ended up with a fantastic new range just outside town. We made him president within 6 months of him joining the club. The energy and new ideas of newcomers can be really beneficial.

Your image of an 'alien' seems to be a shady criminal who wont pay taxes and who messes things up for everyone. The people who are affected by the 'alien firearms license' problem are fully documented and FBI checked already and far more valuable to American society than many American citizens that you and I could name.

There are only about 700 in Washington State but I reckon it would be better for American shooters to form an alliance with them rather than telling them to get back home. We hang together or hang separately. Once the bandwagon of restricting legitimate shooters is rolling, it won't stop with respectable, documented, FBI approved aliens - they will take your guns too.
 
ok good day Eliphalet, as a fellow shooter I wish you the best whether you welcome me to your Country or not ... As my wife is a U.S. Citizen, perhaps she will will buy a gun and let me look at it - so long as I don't touch it. I become a citizen in 2.5 years - Alan
 
Tried to apply today

I tried to apply today for the AFL and they would not accept my application. I thought I would take a form I was able to print from my local police dept website and see what happens.

I had no luck, but the woman at the window was very supportive and said it was wrong and suggested that I pursue it with the DOL further. She said that someone has to.

So I am documenting everything and will continue to pursue this issue, like the lady said, "someone has to". I know I am not the only one. I believe we need to all continue, because the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Hey user3214 thanks for your input too. I agree with you, pick the battles you can win.
 
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