WA State Alien Firearms Licenses

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I am in correspondence with representative Jim Moeller and others who says the legislation to change this so that the FBI problem can be satisfied was unopposed, but ran out of time in the session. Next session is a long way off, but given a time window in the legislature, this can be fixed. Seems there is good will there, but not enough people affected to get sufficient attention.

Minorities suffer under all systems so it is not the fault of democracy

Looks like Green Card holders will be forbidden for a year at least.

The illegals are not affected - they have their illegal firearms still
 
I figure they did not oppose it since they knew they would never get to it. Also with the election for Governor for WA state coming up, there probably will not be any focus on the issue, I'm hoping there will be some focus on it however.

At this point in time since I am so close to Idaho, I only shoot in Idaho, but I haven't done any of that for quite some time now...
 
Not sure newbie..

We'd probably get in deep poop here in WA State.. you know, since it is a compelling public safety issue.. BARF!

I've only done that in Idaho.

I know that foreign visitors don't get any flak when they go to other States and head to an indoor range. So I cannot see why we would get in trouble for the same thing a non immigrant alien can do in another State...

I just don't do it in WA.


I'm no legal expert, but I've often wondered about this:

RCW 9.41.170 said:
(4) This section shall not apply to Canadian citizens resident in a province which has an enactment or public policy providing substantially similar privilege to residents of the state of Washington and who are carrying or possessing weapons for the purpose of using them in the hunting of game while such persons are in the act of hunting, or while on a hunting trip, or while such persons are competing in a bona fide trap or skeet shoot or any other organized contest where rifles, pistols, or shotguns are used. Nothing in this section shall be construed to allow aliens to hunt or fish in this state without first having obtained a regular hunting or fishing license.
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I'm from BC Canada, any American can get the same firearms license that is available to Canadians if they want to.

Now if my local club invited me to come shoot, would this be my loophole? or if a club in my area was formed and I had an official invite from them would that also be a loophole?

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The law states ‘resident in a province’ so if you can provide that you have BC residence and you were invited or have hunting license you shouldn’t have any problems. By that I mean ‘health care card’, BC driver’s license or Canadian tax return.

I asked a few policemen about the issue (Canadian living here in WA). Some said if you are a Canadian you’re allowed and you wouldn’t have a problem.
Others said they ‘are just looking for probable cause’ and will confiscate the gun until it’s found out if it’s legal or not (by supervisors, or DA).


There is a loophole if you could call it that in the 1st paragraph of the law - (1) It is a class C felony for any person who is not a citizen of the United States to carry or possess any firearm.
If you have a firearm in your garage or somewhere where it’s not readily accessible, you are not in possession of the firearm.
 
A State felony or a Federal felony...

Remember other States have no problem with LPRs having firearms...

I could give them a copy of my property tax assessment for my house in BC, a copy of my drivers license, a copy of my birth certificate, a copy of my passport etcetera...

I'll see if I can have a chat with my Sheriff next time I see him at kids fishing camp, he's usually there... at least I can go fishing with my kids.
 
Shooting at a gun range

I hesitantly broached the subject of legal permanent residents shooting at the range (with rented pistols of course since we can't have our own). The guy at Wade's assured me that it was okay do do so without an AFL. Apparently, it's not considered possession to shoot on their property. If however, I was to take the gun off their property then that would be possession and then I could be charged with a felony offense.

I also wanted to make a comment to those who feel that legal permanent residents should just shut up and become citizens. You're entitled to your opinions of course but here's the problem - Legal permanent residents were PREVIOUSLY able to own guns by obtaining an alien firearms license and would STILL be able to do so if it were not for a nonsensical bureaucratic situation. If the intention was to prevent non-citizens from owning guns then so be it - pass a law that actually states this. However, it seems we can own guns if we get our Alien Firearms License (AFL). Oh, except we can't get the AFL because the background check can't be completed for administrative reasons.
 
Essentially, we now have a law that is unenforcible, because another law supercedes it. The question becomes one for the courts, as to whether the entire law is void or whether some of it is still enforcible. That is an unacceptable risk for an alien resident, in my opinion. So we wait for the legislature to change the law to allow these vetted persons to have the right to be treated as "persons" in the eyes of the law.

I'd rather see this special (mis)treatment of these people be completely eliminated. However, in the meantime, we will continue to work on the short term solution. Keep leaning on your hired hands in Olympia. Don't let it rest until session starts.

Pops
 
I am not buying this whole thing. DOL does the same fingerprint and background check on security guards and their licensing remains unaffected.

Yet that of non citizens is and after 2 years they have yet to remedy the situation.

I don't think this has anything to do with FBI sharing criminal records with non LE personnel, because they share it with the DOL everyday for security guard licensing.

I think this has more to do with them not wanting non citizens to have guns. I feel for you guys.
 
MD,
This is a state law but still makes you a felon, which could prevent you from becoming a citizen. I think it’s not worth risking it.

To prove CA citizenship it’s best to provide a passport. To prove residency current BC driver’s license or tax form where you claimed yourself as resident or prove of 6 months per year living in Canada.

But there are still loopholes depending how the law is interpreted and the state could prosecute you.

Here is a worst case scenario (hypothetical): say you use a weapon for self defense at night. The law at the moment states you could use the weapons for sporting/hunting only. This means you committed a felony and since someone died while you were committing a felony – you are in huge trouble.

(I am not a lawyer – but this is what I understand of the law)
 
I am not buying this whole thing. DOL does the same fingerprint and background check on security guards and their licensing remains unaffected.

Yet that of non citizens is and after 2 years they have yet to remedy the situation.

I don't think this has anything to do with FBI sharing criminal records with non LE personnel, because they share it with the DOL everyday for security guard licensing.

I think this has more to do with them not wanting non citizens to have guns. I feel for you guys.
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Hi Batman, i was going through the DOL and even security guards who are not citizens should have an alien firearm's license in order to get an armed security guard license so i guess i don't see any loophole here.

So their current situation right now might be, "you can become an armed security guard only if you are a citizen (since you cannot have an AFL right now if you are a non-citizen)"

you can see the info here

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/securityguards/sggetarmed.html

Thanks.
 
ok shooting people I have arrived in Washington State from florida 24 hours ago and I will be setting up home for a few days and then getting behind you in trying to fix this - I got emails from the Washington legislators I contacted and they said there was no opposition but no time to pass it last session...(next session next year) I wonder if a one liner for green card holders would be easy to pass - you know, exempting green card holders which would eliminate 90% ? of the problem. Green card holders are already individually vetted by FBI as part of the process so no need to duplicate... nice quail here outside my door but i just want to shoot targets nowadays - my blood lust has gone since my own mortalitly became an issue - alan
 
You can hunt without an AFL... I've looked at that as a loop hole.. I have shot on the range that the local Hunter Safety class uses, I know the person that runs the course...

It would definitely be nice if they dropped the AFL rec for Green Card holders...
 
Actually they should drop the AFL rec for everybody, coz today, green card takes at least 6 yrs and it will be a very long wait time who is half way in the process but not complete.
 
Hi Batman, i was going through the DOL and even security guards who are not citizens should have an alien firearm's license in order to get an armed security guard license so i guess i don't see any loophole here.

So their current situation right now might be, "you can become an armed security guard only if you are a citizen (since you cannot have an AFL right now if you are a non-citizen)"

you can see the info here

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/secur...ggetarmed.html

Thanks.
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That's not what I am talking about. Almost all security guards in WA state have to be licensed. Unarmed SG's have to go through the same finger print and background checks for their unarmed guard license that non citizens have to for the AFL, and both licences are processed by the DOL, yet only the AFL process is affected?

I think this is a political way for them to discriminate against non citizens. Time for the media to get involved, this is fishy.
 
Hum I don't know about these loopholes - I mean the penalty is a felony conviction and jail and then deportation - With that hanging over me, I would have to be very,very sure before I even touched a .22 single shot rifle on a rifle range or anywhere else - it just isn't worth it

Yes I suppose I was being selfish saying that green card holders are already FBI checked and therefore could be quickly exempted - it just does not make sense for citizens and non citizens to be split to the left and to the right. The only separation should be safe and unsafe people

At present, some film actor ex footballer raging nut of a citizen is ok and a safe experienced non citizen is barred - yes let's get the press involved.

I don't see why this is a minority concern because I am sure all safe shooters feel at one with other safe shooters and the non citizens should get lots of support from citizens who are safe shooters

Alan
 
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Hi Batman, i was going through the DOL and even security guards who are not citizens should have an alien firearm's license in order to get an armed security guard license so i guess i don't see any loophole here.

So their current situation right now might be, "you can become an armed security guard only if you are a citizen (since you cannot have an AFL right now if you are a non-citizen)"

you can see the info here

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/secur...ggetarmed.html

Thanks.

That's not what I am talking about. Almost all security guards in WA state have to be licensed. Unarmed SG's have to go through the same finger print and background checks for their unarmed guard license that non citizens have to for the AFL, and both licences are processed by the DOL, yet only the AFL process is affected?

I think this is a political way for them to discriminate against non citizens. Time for the media to get involved, this is fishy.
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ohh i see yeah now i got it, sorry my bad, i interpreted it wrongly.:uhoh:
 
The question is, would the media want to make a story of this... they only tend to gravitate towards the negative in regards to firearms...

Maybe contact Rossi and see how he feels about the subject, we know how Queen G and her posse feel about it...
 
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