If you notice wallgreens has more dome cameras and steel gates that come down in seconds, and the pharmacy is always in the rear of the store. I haven't seen any that were laid out different in FL. I believe that they can trigger a lockdown if they are suspicious of a person or group of people who come in and just look like a take down crew. I noticed several emergency switches in mine today, and the windows are all surrounded with metal frames. I guess their bean counters found it cheaper than gaurds. Gaurds are very expensive through an agency, unless they let police moonlight like in Broward county. But here I don't see that so you are looking at a couple grand a day easy. They are open all night.
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Pat C.
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Ill bet if you check all the pharmacies youll find they all have the same type of rules. May not be right but thats the way it is. Now how many of you guys work where you can carry?? I can't and if i do im fired. So what do you do when there no pharmacy you can use becaue their employee can't carry??
SigP229R
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I decided somewhile back (about 7 years ago) not patronize Walgreens because of their policy of supporting Gay and Lesbain rights over and above the traditional American way of life, also Target is another one on my do not shop list because they refuse to support our vertans.
oneounceload
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I would venture that if you checked the corporate policies of CVS and other major Rx chains, you'll find the same thing. Your choice (for the time being) to go where your insurance will pay - personally, I shop by mail for most and the local grocery store for the few I can't get 90 day's worth by mail - they also do not let their employees carry guns - does that mean I shouldn't buy my groceries there either?
You can take this to a very narrow-minded extreme - and it solves nothing
You can take this to a very narrow-minded extreme - and it solves nothing
Pat C.
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Because a private business has the right do make that call...it is a PRIVATE business. And honestly, they should have the right to decide that.
By that logic, Walgreens can refuse to hire black people, right? Realy??
Apples and oranges
By that logic, Walgreens can refuse to hire black people, right? Realy??
Apples and oranges
74sharps
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That is what I am thinking too
Not apples and oranges. The difference only exists because someone pushed the issue.
A persecuted group who were often looked down on, detained against their will, arrested without cause, and had civil liberties denied, banded together and had laws passed which prevented such things from occurring.
Apples and apples.
A persecuted group who were often looked down on, detained against their will, arrested without cause, and had civil liberties denied, banded together and had laws passed which prevented such things from occurring.
Apples and apples.
Bravo Sierra
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I just saw today that Walgreens carries accidental death insurance on its employees. For purposes of posting here, I'm going to assume here that "accidental" in the insurance policy covers criminal acts, which are generally considered "unforeseeable" acts as defined by insurance companies.
So if all this is true, Walgreens has a financial interest in the accidental deaths of their employees.
Now, even more than before, shouldn't Walgreens be asked why the request for a panic button was refused? And while questions are being asked, why doesn't Walgreens want their employee to defend himself when a gun is drawn on him.
And I'm guessing the the payout to Walgreens would be substantially greater than what the employee would earn in a year or more.
This is just so wrong on so many different levels.
So if all this is true, Walgreens has a financial interest in the accidental deaths of their employees.
Now, even more than before, shouldn't Walgreens be asked why the request for a panic button was refused? And while questions are being asked, why doesn't Walgreens want their employee to defend himself when a gun is drawn on him.
And I'm guessing the the payout to Walgreens would be substantially greater than what the employee would earn in a year or more.
This is just so wrong on so many different levels.
digsigs226
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Well, Wallgreens stopped accepting Tricare, so I wont be going there anyhow... 
sarduy
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the way i see it, it's better to loose your job than your life.
Vern Humphrey
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Good point.
But one thing should be made clear -- no business has a right to my patronage. I can choose to shop at Walgreen's or not.
22-rimfire
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That is the harsh reality of business in today's world. Too many lawyers. Too many people trying to make their one lifetime score...
This reminds me why unions really got their push back in the early 1900's. Coal mines are a good example... it was cheaper for the company to replace a human than it was donkey, mule, horse etc.
Walgreens is free to set their own corporate policies. They had essentially the same policy where I worked before. Many did not abide by the policy, but it was a one-way ticket out the door if the company chose to enforce the gun policy. It depended "who you are" more than anything.
Deltaboy1984
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I only use Walgreens when it is after my regular Drugstores Hours. An example is my daughter broke her arm and by the time we got home from the Childrens Hospital it was almost midnight. Walgreens is the ONLY 24 hour Pharmacy in our town. And here in TX none I have seen bans CCW.
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Vern Humphries said,
Bottom line for me.
Bottom line for me.
BTW this was on GMA today have you seem the video? This guy needs more range time, I for one would not what him carrying on any of my jobs. Not only does he have poor technique, but drops then kicks his gun across the floor.
While I support everyone’s right to carry I as an employer have the right to protect myself as well. By allowing employees to carry on the job the company takes the full liability. If anything happens it is no longer the person holding the firearm but the company they work for that is held liable. Are you willing to take that responsibility for thousands of people you don't know personally?
If you bother to ask you will find almost every business has a similar policy. Tractor supply calms firearms are not even allowed in the parking lot by it's employees.
While I support everyone’s right to carry I as an employer have the right to protect myself as well. By allowing employees to carry on the job the company takes the full liability. If anything happens it is no longer the person holding the firearm but the company they work for that is held liable. Are you willing to take that responsibility for thousands of people you don't know personally?
If you bother to ask you will find almost every business has a similar policy. Tractor supply calms firearms are not even allowed in the parking lot by it's employees.
I think the section this thread started in is ACTIVISM. If you want to be active and push back against stupid "rules" or if you want to simply accept "rules" that the UNRULY criminal will ignore thats your choice. I personally will not use Walgreens or any other store that is this blatantly anti second. Our actions may not change things right away but if we stay focused and vocal we may see change in our lifetime.
FWIW, Alex
FWIW, Alex
oneounceload
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Then you won't be doing much in most stores. Again, most do not seem to understand corporate insurance and liability issues in today's litigious society brought to you by every law school in the country - it's about CYA and not having a lawsuit - period.
USAF_Vet
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In some cases, a lawsuit will be held either way.
There was a request and subsequent denial for more security, panic button, etc. I know the neighborhood this happened in, not a very friendly place to be after dark. I worked a security job half a block from this Walgreens. No CCW there either.
Anyway, if the employee had been shot, do you not think that even despite the so-called employee accident insurance, the employee or his next of kin wouldn't sue the crap out fo Walgreens? Insurance would have paid what, a hundred grand tops?
Names like Walgreens, Wal-Mart, Ford, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, etc. have deep pockets, and someone will always go after them, frivolously or otherwise. They have millions set aside for settlement purposes, either because they were in the wrong and did nothing about it, or (and sometimes also) for settlement payouts/ hush money.
There have been many occasions where a company paid off a lawsuit they would win in a heart beat because it was cheaper to pay their way out of it than defeat it in court.
Personally, I'd rather carry a concealed gun to the job (legally, but against company policy) and risk being fired if I work in a high risk area (like Benton Township, MI) late at night. I'd take that chance especially if the company I worked for could not or would not provide ample security measure to keep employees safe. In this instance, it had been proven that the security provided was not enough (that place has been robbed multiple times in the past) and more was requested, and denied. Walgreens is at fault, their no-guns policy was only part of their failure.
stonecutter2
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This is all very easy to say when you're not face to face with some thug who cares nothing for your life and has pulled the trigger 3 times trying to kill you, but his gun didn't fire (per the statement by Mr. Hoven). Panic/stress does weird things to people. Apparently his effectiveness with his handgun was affected - how much training can one really do for preparing for this situation?
I didn't think he kicked his gun across the floor - i thought the criminal freaked out and dropped/threw HIS gun on the floor, and the pharmacist kicked it down the aisle out of the way. It's hard to tell - why are all security cameras so dang grainy??? Anyways, the angles made it seem like the criminal dropped their gun.
Like someone said, i'd rather lose my job than my life. Although losing a $150,000/year job for saving my life would still be a little hard to deal with.
I personally feel this man is a hero, his life was threatened and he responded with his legally concealed handgun. It defused the situation, nobody was hurt, and he not only saved his life but also the lives of his co-workers (his manager was getting shoved and pushed all around the store for some reason - maybe to see where it'd be best to shoot and leave him?).
I hate that Walgreens fired him for a "what if." "What if" someone got shot by him by mistake is irrelevant when it didn't happen. By violating the store's policy, he saved his life and his co-workers' lives - I would expect that to result in a "reprimand" and also a thank you for his actions. Instead he got fired.
I wrote to Walgreens corporate and voiced my opinion of the matter. It's a shame that a day after we celebrated some incredible heroes, we have a news story about a genuine hero that was rewarded with losing his job.
There are times when laws and policies need to be set aside because of common sense. If someone had snuck a gun aboard Flight 93, and instead of the terrorists taking it over, he shot them all in the back of the head, would he have been arrested and imprisoned for sneaking a gun aboard an airplane?
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I think that we all forget that the R to K and BA is not the *only* right. Property rights are important too.
I agree with the idea of a boycott, though.
Most often, privately owned pharmacies are owned by pharmacists, who have most likely been in those shoes.
Sure, a private pharmacy is going to be more expensive, but you're gonna get better service, and you probably won't have to deal with corporate bull.
Those job markets are getting saturated fast.
I agree with the idea of a boycott, though.
Most often, privately owned pharmacies are owned by pharmacists, who have most likely been in those shoes.
Sure, a private pharmacy is going to be more expensive, but you're gonna get better service, and you probably won't have to deal with corporate bull.
Err... what are they going to do to a customer? Hire them, then fire them? Ban them from the store?
Unfortunately, your statement was only true a few years ago. Then, they started shipping in tons and tons of pharmacists from overseas to fill the shortage, and now, it's nearly impossible to get a job in Houston or Dallas. (And if I've worked with some of these pharmacists.)
Those job markets are getting saturated fast.
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billybob44
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Tractor supply calms firearms are not even allowed in the parking lot by it's employ
That there is FUNNY!! I have done a number of my gun deals in a Tractor Supply parking lot...
Bill..
That there is FUNNY!! I have done a number of my gun deals in a Tractor Supply parking lot...
Bill..22-rimfire
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That is for employees, not the general public.
The world is a tough place and I will protect my own interests. You can't always have what you want.
For those that will refuse to do business with Walgreens, my suggestion is that you spend perhaps a million dollars or more and open your own pharmacy and I bet within a year if your business has liabity insurance, you will have the same policy for employees. It is better sometimes to simply look the other way as an employer, but officially their hands are pretty tied.
The world is a tough place and I will protect my own interests. You can't always have what you want.
For those that will refuse to do business with Walgreens, my suggestion is that you spend perhaps a million dollars or more and open your own pharmacy and I bet within a year if your business has liabity insurance, you will have the same policy for employees. It is better sometimes to simply look the other way as an employer, but officially their hands are pretty tied.
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my job or my life?
fire me!
yes it seems wrong. and i think it is. but it is what it is, if nothing happends, then its a moot point, its concealed carry for a reason, if something does happen, then you get shot or loose your job (yes, i understand that you can be robbed and not injured or killed, but if im being robbed, im not going to assume the gun is for show).
i choose loose my job everytime. at least my wife and daughter will see me at the end of the day, and the same goes for everyone else in the store at the same time.
besides, the guy on eisle nine might just be owner or hiring manager of a company. and for saving his life, you got a replacement job. not likely but possible!
fire me!
yes it seems wrong. and i think it is. but it is what it is, if nothing happends, then its a moot point, its concealed carry for a reason, if something does happen, then you get shot or loose your job (yes, i understand that you can be robbed and not injured or killed, but if im being robbed, im not going to assume the gun is for show).
i choose loose my job everytime. at least my wife and daughter will see me at the end of the day, and the same goes for everyone else in the store at the same time.
besides, the guy on eisle nine might just be owner or hiring manager of a company. and for saving his life, you got a replacement job. not likely but possible!
almherdfan
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The guy did the right thing, even if he knowinlg violated company policy. The video clearly shows his life was imminent danger. If he'd not been armed, there's a pretty good chance the idiot criminal would have overcome his malfunction and shot the pharmacist and/or other innocent folks present.
On the other hand, Walgreens has done the wrong thing, even if the pharmacist knowingly violated company policy. I understand they probably don't want gun battles in their stores, but given that this turned out very well, they should count their blessings that it wasn't much, much worse and let the guy off with a wink and a warning.
Pharmacists are in very high demand & I'll bet he'll have some very good offers.
On the other hand, Walgreens has done the wrong thing, even if the pharmacist knowingly violated company policy. I understand they probably don't want gun battles in their stores, but given that this turned out very well, they should count their blessings that it wasn't much, much worse and let the guy off with a wink and a warning.
Pharmacists are in very high demand & I'll bet he'll have some very good offers.
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