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  1. BLB68

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  2. old lady new shooter

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    Thanks. I did see the "partnership" reference on the company policies page, but haven't seen anything so far about donating. I think "partnering" is not the same as donating. Donating would mean giving money which the antis could use as they wished. "Partnering" might be a way of trying to have their cake and eat it, or might be a way to try to influence the conversation, like "Look, we're being responsible, but we're still respecting gun owners, not demonizing them." Whether the latter could succeed is another question because the antis' history is taking a yard every time they are given an inch... IAC Walmart obviously is not going to publically discuss their motives.
     
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    I didn’t say they were donating to anti groups. Their CEO is pushing for more gun control in addition to no longer selling handgun and some rifle ammunition.
     
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    I don't think getting into bed with Bloomberg constitutes respecting gun owners, but YMMV.
     
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    I offer a small update and would also like to thank everyone who responded by using the Fox Corporate link. Here is direct evidence that the GATEKEEPERS (executives above Mr. Carlson) got our message that there is a significant favorable audience to be found concerning Mr. Carlson's opinion. These gatekeepers, who are fairly new, have absolute line authority over every segment that airs and in general they are "left" and far left leaning, but above all else they care about money as defined by audience share. The Fox corporate POLICE have now approved a corporate link to Mr. Carlson's broadcast to be placed on their paid public video site, which is significant. In the words of the amazing Judge Jeanine Pirro (of Fox) they watch us all the time now ...every little move we make ...have to approve everything. (She is facing suspension again) I won't post a video link, I feel this post to be too important to risk making anyone twitchy, but it's an easy search. Because of Mr. Carlson's recent support, several advances have been made. The more focused research found in a second video here has become part of a larger segment to be broadcast on fox in the near future and there is talk of Mr. Carlson hosting a "town hall" type of meeting on the issue. Thanks again!



    P.S. To any and all, I did read all the rules before posting and found nothing between the lines to suggest, before posting, a user is required to explain elementary concepts in order to justify context ...and the context here is tightly focused. For those who comprehend basics in communications psychology, it's not difficult to understand my support for Mr. Carlson isn't as much about Tucker Carlson as was suggested -- it is about COUNTER MESSAGING and AUDIENCE REACH. Without getting into numbers, I recently read an internal document from an enemy lobbying group operating on K. Street, only miles from the Capitol, who referred to Mr. Carlson as a "potential BELL COW," ergo an enemy who must be stopped because he is giving a voice to the voiceless whose rights are being destroyed by a highly skilled and highly paid and intensely focused enemy of American freedoms. Against this, the loosely knit "firearms community," dare we call it that, slowly bumbles and fumbles along precisely as it did prior to the Clinton gun ban, proving that any learning curve will appear -- only after it is too late.
     
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    We are not homogeneous, but we all have dozens of sporting goods stores right at our fingertips. Brick and mortar stores like Academy will ship to your door. Businesses you couldn't find on a map like Ammoman will ship to your door. The internet brings all things to each of us with a credit card and an internet connection such that we are less dependent upon brick and mortar shops.

    Sure, we should buy local whenever possible to help support the folks that support us, but we should never mistake a corporation for a shop owner and we should never be surprised by a mega corp that puts new policy in their own financial interest above that of the customers that helped grow them into a mega corp. We don't need Wal-Mart or Dick's, but the majority of their customers that walk in the door will continue to walk in and spend money because Wal-Mart dominates the marketplace in those fly-over communities and their customers aren't going to change their shopping habits. Wal-Mart knows this so they change policy to cater to new demographics they think they need to make profits and abandon those smaller groups (people who will actually react to his change instead of just grumble) who don't make them money. So they see the potential profit in trying to appeal to a new demographic that hasn't given them money and they make policy to appeal to them expecting their base to continue with their habits. It isn't surprising, just disappointing.

    What do we do in response? Many say, "They'll never get a penny for this Dick's move!", but we've seen how well boycotts work historically. What about we change the strategy to tell Wal-Mart that we know they've beaten concessions out of towns and counties to build their centers basically using our tax dollars for their profit and that because Wal-Mart has made this policy change we will too. We will demand that our community will no longer grant concessions to Wal-Mart and that we will demand our communities withdraw any concessions granted to Wal-Mart. If a few of us go to our City Council or County Commission meetings and demand a resolution against concessions to Wal-Mart for these social engineering policy decisions AND we make sure Wal-Mart knows that we're going to take the time and make the effort to do this perhaps that would allow a few of us to make our voices heard more loudly than one and two and two dozen of us sending complaints to the corporate office about how unfairly law-abiding citizens are being treated.

    Certainly refuse to do business with them and tell them so, but hit them harder. File a FOIA request on what your county or town conceded to Wal-Mart to set up in your community (and tell them you're going to do this), release that information on what was done with your tax dollars (and tell them you're going to do this), send that information to the local news stations and op-ed part of the local paper (and tell them you're going to do this). You may have to go down to the courthouse to file the FOIA, but the rest can be done from your keyboard. If that's too much effort then get three angry friends and some poser board and make placards saying "I AM NOT A CRIMINAL AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE ONE! Wal-Mart DOESN'T WANT MY BUSINESS!" and check with the local LEOs on where you can stand to not trespass. Contact the paper or TV station. Make some news/noise.
     
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    The problem with pressuring Walmart is that now that they are a "woke" corporation, the media will protect them.

    Remember when they were considered a Pro-American and largely conservative corporation? Remember the onslaught of negative news stories about wages and benefits? I fully expect those to end ASAP.
     
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    The CEO is making public statements calling for more gun control? Do you have any links please?
     
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-co...ebate-over-reauthorizing-assault-weapons-ban/

    Under pressure to stop selling guns after recent deadly shootings at two Walmart stores in Mississippi and Texas, the retailer's CEO, Doug McMillon, on Thursday said the U.S. should revisit the idea of banning assault weapons.

    In prepared remarks to stock analysts that came with Walmart's quarterly earnings report, McMillon gingerly stepped into the political storm surrounding guns and an epidemic of mass shootings in the U.S.

    "In the national conversation around gun safety, we're encouraged that broad support is emerging to strengthen background checks and to remove weapons from those who have been determined to pose an imminent danger," he stated. "The reauthorization of the assault weapons ban should be debated to determine its effectiveness in keeping weapons made for war out of the hands of mass murderers."
     
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    I put the statement in quotes for a reason, to hypothesize about a possible motive. They did clearly say they have a long history of supporting hunters and outdoorsmen and women and intend to continue doing that, so they are at least respecting one segment of gun owners. Yes, I know the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, but it's more respect than the rabid wokesters are expressing. Another post characterized them as talking out of both sides of their mouth, which is a less friendly description, but talking out of both sides is still not the same as only talking out of one side. A person could argue that anything less than full support makes them an enemy, but at least still supporting hunters is a major voice out there not saying gun owners are going around killing people.
     
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    He's trying to have it both ways. The sentence about the "assault weapons" ban, if acted upon, would actually help us since the statistics show the previous ban had no effect at all on gun crime. Note how CBS totally changed it by saying he said the idea should be revisited.

    We have to repeatedly publically point out facts like more people being killed with fists and feet than with rifles. Sitting around complaining to each other about our image in the MSM is not going to help anything.
     
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    If you just go to the major relevant websites like Midway et al, you can get great prices on ammo, delivered right to your door. It doesn't take long to go to a few sites to see who's offering the best price on what you want.
     
  14. LiveLife

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    No, I disagree as actions speak louder than words.

    And by Walmart CEO/management action of policy change in ammunition/handgun sales combined with their support of Everytown For Gun Safety and Bloomberg (whose agenda is gun ban) clearly shows to me their position and intent - https://tennesseefirearms.com/2019/...-michael-bloomberg-to-advance-gun-ban-agenda/

    And why isn't "right to bear arms" for hunting not part of 2A? I mean, hunters have the right to defend themselves and arm themselves to protect from dangerous predators, whether predators are 4-legged or 2-legged. ;)

    To me, Walmart just pissed off gun owner customer base and will likely lose sales revenue due to their CEO/management actions. And since Walmart still sells guns, anti-gun crowd likely won't shop at Walmart (Many will never shop at Walmart anyways), despite the ammunition/handgun sales policy change.

    This was a foolish move/decision by Walmart.

    Time will tell what the fallout will be.
     
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    Good job! :thumbup:
     
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    BRILLIANT. :thumbup:
     
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    Every fellow gun owner I talked to this past week in person was extremely upset and vowed to never set foot in Walmart again. On this forum and others, there seems to be an overwhelming amount of people who either don't care or don't think it's worth shopping elsewhere.

    It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
     
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    Automobile accidents/intentional violence and drunk driving kill way more people than guns (either accidental discharge or intentional shooting).

    But the media and anti-gun law makers are not interested in stopping "distracted/violent/drunk drivers" like they are stopping gun owners.

    As I posted many times before, WE ARE AT ALL OUT WAR WITH THE ANTIS.

    Make no mistake and if you want to keep your guns and protect/preserve 2A rights, it's time to set all other issues aside and MAKE SURE pro-gun/2A presidents and law makers keep getting elected in future elections to keep appointing pro-gun/2A federal judges and SCOTUS justices. Perhaps changing the judicial landscape for the future is our D-Day.

    Those that have issues with Trump and posted they won't vote for Trump in 2020, consider simply voting in 2020 against the anti-gun/2A declarations clearly made by the Democrat candidates for gun ban/confiscation to protect and preserve your gun rights. 2020 presidential election is "D-Day" important as the next president can secure or not secure the judicial future of gun rights/2A for decades, if not generations.
     
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    Once again, I shall tell the tale of the no effect on Gun Crimes from the AWB. This is not exactly activism but might help you if you take an activist stance against an AWB.

    1. The AWB banned imports on some items, banned some guns and the manufacture of some guns based on their features. Mags were limited. However, guns and mags were grandfathered under Federal regs.

    2. Researchers sponsored by the DOJ found that the laws did not affect any major crime indices.

    3. Gun folks rejoice and still quote this, saying the ban didn't work. Thus have no bans!! Whoopee!

    4. However the researchers said AFTER saying the ban had no effect, that this was probably because:

    a. The existing stocks of weapons met most demands. The existing stocks of mags met most demands, albeit with higher prices.
    b. New weapons were manufactured that did not have the cosmetic features of the ban proscriptions but were of equal lethal efficacy for all practical purposes. Thus, you could get an AR but forget your bayonets and grenades, etc. Min-14s were just fine and dandy.
    c. Thus, that's why the ban had no effect.

    5. Conclusions:

    They suggest that future bans have to be all inclusive (basically, take out all mag fed semis). No more imports or manufacture. No grandfathering. All existing guns confiscated.

    That's the story.

    Now, some antigun folks just say to reinstate the old ban as they don't understand it and the history. They think it did something. You can say that is foolish but smarter ones know the analysis and will just come back at you and you are sunk, if you don't know this. If you only say that one sentence of it didn't work - you will look foolish.

    You have to make a proactive case of why we should have the firearms. The AWB didn't work is a weak argument if you face a knowledgeable opponent

    Also if you just say, well, if there is a ban, we will not comply, you are naive. You lose the cultural war and become a shrinking set of annoyed folks sitting on their guns. I wrote this elsewhere:

    Thus, as an activist, you need to make an argument for self-defense and for defense against tyranny. That should not be taken away. Gun ownership should be seen as pro-active. The excuse defense - the AWB didn't work, it's a tool, it's a modern sporting rifle, it's for sports - none of those will withstand a continued set of vivid instances. The average person wants to be safe. They don't want to control you, start racist gulags, make you marry someone you don't want to. It's the progressives/liberals - turn off half the country immediately. I'm afraid the activist set is just mired in choir arguments and don't really see the threat or solutions. Yes, let's write to the juggernauts of Walmart. I won't go to Kroger, or HEB, or Wegmans - they banned OC. Well, OC really helped us, didn't it. The average person who will want your gun to be banned wants to be safe, not your tin-foil hat. You miss the major cultural aspect of this battle when you off on libertine sexuality or the like.

    That's my two cents on this. I expect folks to get excited as I stepped on their cultural hobby horses and will say : I REFUSE or the like. You will end up sitting on a stack of buried guns. Great.
     
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    Great post! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

    And most people on both sides of the argument don't understand that antis pushing for gun ban is the WILL of the majority being imposed on the RIGHTS of the minority, and why our founding fathers chose Constitutional Republic instead of Pure Democracy form of government so as to protect the rights of the minority listed in the Bill of Rights.

    Antis' push for gun ban is a direct attack on our core fabric of government as a Constitutional Republic. If they can destroy the Second Amendment, they can and will destroy other Amendments like the First and Fourth. ;)

    Did I mention we are at war? And we all know what happened in WW2 when people lost their ability to speak freely and be armed ... Never again!

    It's time for us to come together and set aside our differences to fight the common enemy.

    Spread the word and form new alliances.

    We have time before the 2020 election and through emails/forums/social media, we can reach many voters who may be on the fence or misinformed. "Proper" information conveyed can easily sway these voters and I do that on a regular basis by approaching the topic as "rights" issue and not a "gun" issue. Whenever talk of crime comes up (And which city/town is free of crime?), I introduce the notion of "self defense" as police can't always respond quick enough. That's my ice breaker I use to transition the discussion to "right of self defense".

    Walmart can "choose" to do whatever they want to do with their business.

    But we can "choose" how we spend the next coming year in defense of gun rights and 2A, by talking and engaging voters. Here are some pointers - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/re-training-of-firearms-related-information.849620/
     
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    Just sent an email to my local Walmart, I don't expect any response and that is ok. People don't realize how few emails and phone calls it takes to impact a company's or the government's thought process. I would recommend taking a few minutes and send a polite email or two, we have nothing to lose by letting them know we are still out here.
     
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    We don't appear to be getting any new constructive ideas on what we can do.

    So we'll lay this one to rest and stickie it so others can read it.

    If you have a constructive Activism idea PM GEM or me.
     
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