Weapons seized in San Diego
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rainbowbob
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What difference does it make if he had a thousand rounds of .45s or ten thousand rounds of .22s?
Does anyone here doubt that a guy with pipe bombs is a danger to himself and others?
Or should pipe bombs be included in the definition of "arms"?
Does anyone here doubt that a guy with pipe bombs is a danger to himself and others?
Or should pipe bombs be included in the definition of "arms"?
ScotZ
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I think everyone is leary of the medias description of anything. Of course pipe bombs and unregistered full autos are a problem,if that is indeed what he had. Our local media once held up a Remington 1100 shotgun and called it full auto. I take everything that the media reports with a huge grain of salt.
IMHO The desire to sensationalize the news for proffit is far more dangerous than any gun ever will be.
IMHO The desire to sensationalize the news for proffit is far more dangerous than any gun ever will be.
If he was planning on doing something sinister... well.. then.. i'm glad he was caught.
If it was for other reasons... such as freedom and/or liberty, then... the arms he possessed (yes, pipe bombs do fall under the definition of "arms") should on be considered a "danger" and a "problem" to those who oppress him, not to society as a whole, such as an violent armed felon.
Of course, we're all speculating. Just because someone breaks the law, that person isn't necessarily considered "a bad guy". His "crime" may be victimless and/or constitutional.
HeavenlySword
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i made my first bomb at age 6, first pipe bomb at age 8.
I have not murdered anyone.
Okay.
jimmyraythomason
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There is NO way this guy was doing anything other than getting ready to do serious harm! Most of what he had idividually may be harmless but not when he had the whole package together at once. Apparently someone with a vindeta and dreams of feigned glory. This man was a menace.Good riddance!
SCKimberFan
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Somehow I find this unsettling.
Dark Skies
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Not really. Old school kids were always getting up to this sort of thing. Some would occasionaly come a cropper but most wouldn't. I have to confess to being interested in blowing stuff up when I was growing up in Australia. We used to pile old tin cans full of fire crackers and seal the top with a piece of cork with a fuse in it. Light the fuse and run like hell. It was great fun.
rainbowbob
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Admittedly, my best friend and I made a crude form of home-made black powder from charcoal and stuff in the chemistry set.
For you younger folk - a chemistry set is a big metal box full of all kinds of chemicals and formulas. I haven't checked the hobby shops lately (Do they have those any more?) - but I suppose chemistry sets are no longer considered safe for children to play with. They've probably gone the way of swimming holes, tree-climbing, and playing guns in the woods - all without any adult supervision!
We also sealed the "black powder" stuff up in pipes with a fuse in an attempt to blow up stumps and such.
We weren't very successful - but not for lack of trying.
I don't think this guy's intentions were as "innocent" as ours.
That's very true. All news stories must be considered with scepticism regarding the "facts" being reported.
For you younger folk - a chemistry set is a big metal box full of all kinds of chemicals and formulas. I haven't checked the hobby shops lately (Do they have those any more?) - but I suppose chemistry sets are no longer considered safe for children to play with. They've probably gone the way of swimming holes, tree-climbing, and playing guns in the woods - all without any adult supervision!
We also sealed the "black powder" stuff up in pipes with a fuse in an attempt to blow up stumps and such.
We weren't very successful - but not for lack of trying.
I don't think this guy's intentions were as "innocent" as ours.
That's very true. All news stories must be considered with scepticism regarding the "facts" being reported.
otcconan
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My buddy in grade school made a pipe bomb. Just one.
We called him Stumpy.
We called him Stumpy.
X-Rap
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The big thing with this story and others like it is the follow up. It rarely happens that the media checks back with the autorities to see if the weapons were trully modified and even less likely to get a straight story from the feds.
It works to both the media and the gov. benefit to have these sensational stories of weapons and bad guys true of not.
It works to both the media and the gov. benefit to have these sensational stories of weapons and bad guys true of not.
denfoote
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On the surface, this does appear to be a good bust.
I'd advise having our members in the San Diego area keep tabs on it and see what develops.
I'd advise having our members in the San Diego area keep tabs on it and see what develops.
Mr. Bojangles
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I definitely think there has to be more to the story. I work in a hospital ER and am amazed at how bad the newsies screw up the stories with regards to what comes through our ER, for example "Multiple compound fractures" usually means a sprained ankle.
Yeah I think that's what Tim McVeigh and the rest of the OKC crew said. Not to mention Al Qaida--who believe they are oppressed by the way.--You guys are going to make the Gubmint believe they are right about 2A guys being possible terrorists with comments like this.
Yeah I understand fireworks and seeing things go boom like trees and Rockpiles but keeping a pipe bomb in your house is neither safe, smart or stable.
SciFiJim
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The pipe bombs are illegal, but not that unlikely if someone is willing to disregard the law to experiment with things. The full auto weapons would follow from the same mindset.
However, the other things. Right now in the trunk of MY car is duct tape (for roadside emergency repairs), rubber palmed work gloves, cold weather gloves, a blanket, a lawn chair, and other junk that accumulates in a trunk. On the back seat is a jacket that has been there since winter.
When on the way to the range, there can be multiple weapons and more than a thousand rounds in the trunk as well. Especially if I am carrying a bulk pack of .22 ammo.
I don't have any full auto weapons, but I know the theory of how it is done.
Does that make me a dangerous person, or a shooting enthusiast that is also a bit of a slob where my car is concerned?
There is obviously more to this story than is reported by the media. Don't rush to judgment. He will face charges for the explosives and the altered weapons. That does not mean that he had some other nefarious scheme in mind.
Also, Lake Elsinore is only about an hour and half from snow skiing, and spring skiing only ended about a month ago.
However, the other things. Right now in the trunk of MY car is duct tape (for roadside emergency repairs), rubber palmed work gloves, cold weather gloves, a blanket, a lawn chair, and other junk that accumulates in a trunk. On the back seat is a jacket that has been there since winter.
When on the way to the range, there can be multiple weapons and more than a thousand rounds in the trunk as well. Especially if I am carrying a bulk pack of .22 ammo.
I don't have any full auto weapons, but I know the theory of how it is done.
Does that make me a dangerous person, or a shooting enthusiast that is also a bit of a slob where my car is concerned?
There is obviously more to this story than is reported by the media. Don't rush to judgment. He will face charges for the explosives and the altered weapons. That does not mean that he had some other nefarious scheme in mind.
Also, Lake Elsinore is only about an hour and half from snow skiing, and spring skiing only ended about a month ago.
dmckean44 said:
I too live in San Diego and I have several ski masks, and there is more than ample reason to own them. I ride motorcycles and, early in the morning, on the way to work, or on a Saturday afternoon on Mt. Laguna, the ski mask is an absolute necessity to keep my face from freezing. 45 degrees plus 60 miles per hour creates a terrible chill factor on exposed skin.
It just occurred to me that at one point or another, me and/or my dad have had most of the items this guy had in our work (construction/paving) truck.
Big coats in the winter (its the desert. coldest places on earth)
Masks (ski or otherwise) to protect face from infrared, heat, cold, and debris
Duct tape (how can you not have duct tape on a construction site?)
Plenty of guns and ammo in the backseat (may have gone shooting the day before or may go after work)
All the fixins to make several different kinds of bombs
Me and my almost-senior-citizen father never thought of going on a killing spree or anything.
Reasonable doubt in my mind.
Big coats in the winter (its the desert. coldest places on earth)
Masks (ski or otherwise) to protect face from infrared, heat, cold, and debris
Duct tape (how can you not have duct tape on a construction site?)
Plenty of guns and ammo in the backseat (may have gone shooting the day before or may go after work)
All the fixins to make several different kinds of bombs
Me and my almost-senior-citizen father never thought of going on a killing spree or anything.
Reasonable doubt in my mind.
larry_minn
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Fact is we don't know. It was common for kids to play with explosives when I grew up. If we didn't pull apart some shotgun shells, we took some black powder, used chemistry set, swiped a couple blasting caps/cut end off some 80%, etc. Heck in 8th grade we tried AM/DSL. Had to get some older folks to figure out it wouldn't blow on its own. More then a blasting cap needed. (which you got a HARDWARE STORE)
I still remember getting blasting lic. Sheriff "what do you know about handleing explosives?" Me "You don't crimp blasting caps with your teeth" Sheriff "sign here" That was the only question he had for me.
The full auto was really stupid. Go to Vegas and rent a full auto. Its really not THAT great a thing for most folks.
I still remember getting blasting lic. Sheriff "what do you know about handleing explosives?" Me "You don't crimp blasting caps with your teeth" Sheriff "sign here" That was the only question he had for me.
The full auto was really stupid. Go to Vegas and rent a full auto. Its really not THAT great a thing for most folks.
All of the rental places make you buy THEIR ammo (at markup, of course) in THEIR guns. It'll run you $40 - $100 per mag for most full autos, although they're kind enough to usually provide you with 25rds of ammo for your $100+ rental.
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