What is all the fuss about powder coating your bullets?

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What is all the fuss about powder coating your bullets?

I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to accomplish.

Can someone give me a primer on why?

Thanks,,,

Aarond

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Somebody asked the same question in one of the many threads floating around here. From what I gather, it keeps your bullet from attracting grit and leading the barrel. Evidently it's all the rage. I wonder if they taste good...those red ones look delicious.
 
lol there are a few different coatings now, Powder coat, epoxy, hi tek. You just use it in place of lube on a lead bullet. It has both some advantages and disadvantages.
 
I have been doing this for awhile for many reasons. First, it allows you to drive your lead bullets pretty much as hard as you want (within max pressure of course) with zero leading. Now, when I work up my loads, the only criteria I have is accuracy and safety. I don't even look for signs of leading anymore.

Second, it doesn't gum up my dies like the 45/45/10 stuff does. This is especially a big deal for re-loaders who seat and crimp in the same operation. 45/45/10 builds up in the dies slowly reducing OAL. I still use a lot of 45/45/10 but, when I run out, I won't be buying more.

Third, with the shake and bake method that I use, it is no more labor than tumble lubing and I don't have to wait for them to dry. Granted, if you count the time they spend in the oven, it takes more time.

Fourth, it doesn't cost anymore than 45/45/10. In my case, I have powder coated around 6k bullets with my first pound of Harbor Freight Black Powder Coat and still have about 1/3 of the bottle left.

Last but not least, it is just fun to do and looks cool. There is a certain novelty to it that I am sure is going to wear off in time but, at least for the foreseeable future, I won't be doing my lead bullets any other way.
 
What is all the fuss about powder coating your bullets?
Well, I can put this into perspective. I just bought a new handgun. Next time I go shooting, I'd like to have more than a few shots through it. If I had some powder coated bullets, I would have plenty of ammo that, like plated, is almost guaranteed to not foul the bore. If I bring only cast reloads, I won't know if they work in that gun until I get all the way out there!

Third, with the shake and bake method that I use, it is no more labor than tumble lubing and I don't have to wait for them to dry. Granted, if you count the time they spend in the oven, it takes more time.
This is where you lost me. I have tried the shake and bake, and it's not the same.

When I tumble lube bullets with my version of 45/45, I shake them around in a cake tin over a heat gun. Let cool a bit, then dump into a plastic bag. They do not need to dry. They just need to cool off a little so the lube solidifies.

With the shake and bake, you have to separate the bullets from the powder and/or BB's. I used a mesh screen for this, but a lot of the powder fell off, completely, in the spots where it contacted the mesh. A lot of people are using their fingers or forceps for this reason. That's handling each bullet, individually.

On top of that, most people are spacing out each bullet individually, nose-up, on a tray covered with nonstick foil. This is more work. And it doesn't work so well for 223 bullets. I just baked my 223 in a pile, and when I pried them apart some of the coating came off in small chips.

And then, you have to bake them.

I'm waiting to see if powder coat stops gas tube fouling before I go thru that process, again.

I have been doing this for awhile for many reasons. First, it allows you to drive your lead bullets pretty much as hard as you want (within max pressure of course) with zero leading.
What info do you have regarding this claim? I mean, no leading, ok. But will they still be accurate? I can shoot gas checked cast bullets as fast as I want out of my rifles with no leading of the bore. But that doesn't mean the bullet is going to hit the target, or even reach it in one piece. Velocity is seemingly limited to around 2100 fps, or so, with common alloys - not including copper alloyed lead.


Second, it doesn't gum up my dies like the 45/45/10 stuff does. This is especially a big deal for re-loaders who seat and crimp in the same operation. 45/45/10 builds up in the dies slowly reducing OAL. I still use a lot of 45/45/10 but, when I run out, I won't be buying more.
Maybe I do it different, but I have not yet experienced this problem. With commerical lubrisized "blue goop" bullets, yeah. But with tumble lubed, nope. You only need a thin coat, and the 45/45 lube dries hard. In fact, it works just as good if you let all the mineral spirits evaporate - as I found out because my container wasn't air tight. You're left with a hard, dry, chocolate colored solid. Press something against this and see how much comes off... it's basically none. The lube won't indent or smear. It's hard and brittle. Just break a few chips and drop them in the tin on top of the bullets. Hit with a heat gun until the chips melt, then roll the bullets around. I suppose, I'm technically using 50/50. :)
 
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After reading countless threads on the subject here and else where I can't help but wonder if people in the early days said the same thing about jacketed bulllets when they first appeared.

If you are talking about rifle cartridges, then you have a point. However, I am seeing a lot of handgun bullets being "coated" in the various threads, and I will simply say, if you are getting lead fouling with your handgun loads, you seriously need to take a "Casting 101" course. I cast and shoot .30 Carbine bullets at 1800fps without a gas check and without leading.

Don
 
I also have no problem with 30 cal. carbine even at the vel. you mention. I have no problem "leading" shooting 45 acp, 40 S&W, 32 acp, but even after 60 years of reloading I have yet to master 9 mm and keep it from leading in any of my hand guns. This is in 5 different pistols all in 9 mm.
 
My post was ment to be taken as a light joke. I picture some guy that has been shooting cast bullets all his life then here come along the NEW jacketed bullet. I further imagine how he rejects the new bullets, thinking that they are a solution looking for a problem. Now flash forward many many years and a jacketed bullet is the norm in most circles and is the industry standard.

I would love to take a casting 101 course since I may learn somthing new, and unlike some people, I am open to new ideas. Just read some of the many threads and one will see that leading is not the only reason to try the space age wonder coatings that people are putting on their bullets. And the coating itself is not a replacement for the proper sizing and alloying of bullets (which causes alot of people grief when shooting lead).

I'm not saying that coated bullets are the future of shooting, but it does exist in the present. Try it if you want to, dont try it if you dont want to.
 
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Jacketed, Plated and coated bullets do not require tradional lubes used with cast bullets. If you don't mind the smoke and generally more mess in your gun or on your hands when you load them, they won't do anything for you.

Go try and shoot a USPSA or IDPA match with cast bullets and you will understand why they exist, as you won't be able to see the targets that you are shooting at through the smoke screen.

That leaves you jacketed bullets (cost the most), plated bullets (cheaper than jacketed but not "cheap" or coated.

The swaging equipment needed to make your own FMJ's cost a lot and is quite time consuming to make the bullets.

I have tried plating on the cheap but to get good results it isn't very cheap either.

PC or Hi-TEK coating doesn't require much investment other than a toaster oven (~$20 on Craigslist) and the coating itself.
 
USSR said:
The solution to a problem that doesn't exist
I do have a problem in .300 BLK - cost of .30 caliber bullets. I want to be able to shoot cheaper lead bullets without the worry over leading/lube fouling the gas tube.

I don't cast yet but plan to as I retire in couple years. Although I have happily shot commercial lead bullets without leading issues, I can see the benefit of casting bullets and powder coating versus lubing the bullets, especially for several Glocks I have.
 
So are they edible or not?

With over 450 pushed out of my 300 BlackOut with various charges and 2 types of powder so far, YEP, not one failure to do anything right. That is very edible in my book. :)
Yes, I understood this was in jest.

Only one batch of 240 grainers for my 44 mag as an experiment and I see no reason for my needs to coat any more. All of my pistol needs are covered with grease. But, I'm playing with 300 BlackOuts, .308 Wins and 30-06 with coated cast bullets. No fowling of any type so far. If anything they shoot cleaner than jacketed loads.

'Powder Coating' is not for everyone. Just like (insert your choice of weapons/bullet types/calibers) is not for everyone. If you are happy with what you have and 'it' works, why change.
 
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... if you are getting lead fouling with your handgun loads, you seriously need to take a "Casting 101" course.

Not everybody that shoots hard-cast lead boolits casts their own boolits. That's the big advantage of PC for me. I have thousands of Bumblebee and no-name handgun bullets that I have purchased that cause minor leading in my barrels.

I take 10% of those boolits, clean the lube off, and powder coat them. Shoot 90% of them as purchased, but finish off each range session with the PCs, and my barrel is squeaky clean.

It also helps make .30 caliber plinking boolits work better in my son's Arisaka .31-06. Yes, I could buy another mold, and I probably will, but PC is cheap and easy and I can use the ones I've already cast for .30-06 or .31-06.

Oh, and my son got 100% on his science project based on comparing bullet lubes.

But what do I know, I'm just one of those young (47) newcomers wasting my time on worthless "solution looking for a problem" newfangled lubes and ruining castboolits for everybody.
 
I also have no problem with 30 cal. carbine even at the vel. you mention. I have no problem "leading" shooting 45 acp, 40 S&W, 32 acp, but even after 60 years of reloading I have yet to master 9 mm and keep it from leading in any of my hand guns. This is in 5 different pistols all in 9 mm.
Dumb question I know, but have you slugged your bores? My SIG 226 and Beretta 92 both slugged .357" and will lead if shooting common .356" lead pills. at .358" sized, I get no leading.
 
It's an interesting process, but I still lube and size using a forty year old Star lubrisizer. I usually gas-check the magnum rounds, and I keep all the pistol stuff under 1100 fps.
If I ever run out of cast pistol bullets, (unlikely, unless I shoot a gun in each hand all day for a week), maybe I'll give powder coating a try.
 
1. can someone please elaborate for us noobs what 45/45/10 and 50/50 means where lube is concerned?
2. Can someone please elaborate exactly how this powdercoating bullets process works? True powdercoating involves electrically charged parts.
 
1. can someone please elaborate for us noobs what 45/45/10 and 50/50 means where lube is concerned?
2. Can someone please elaborate exactly how this powdercoating bullets process works? True powdercoating involves electrically charged parts.
1. 45/45/10 refers to a mixed tumble lube using lee liquid alox/johnsons paste wax/mineral spirits.

2. there are a couple other threads that explain it in detail on the first page. basically get a #5 recyclable container(cool whip or ziploc disposable tupperware), fill it up 2-3 layers deep with black crossman airsoft pellets, dump in an appropriate amount of powder(I use three heaping teaspoons of harbor freight RED and one of black. The red is the only harbor freight color that coats well enough. swirl the container for 15-30 seconds and then shake up and down for the same amount of time. pick the bullets out with tweezers and bake em in the oven on nonstick foil for 10 min @ 350F.

Some smart feller figured out that stirring around certain density airsoft bb's in a certain type of plastic container will generate a static charge that will evenly coat the boolits.
 
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1. can someone please elaborate for us noobs what 45/45/10 and 50/50 means where lube is concerned?
2. Can someone please elaborate exactly how this powdercoating bullets process works? True powdercoating involves electrically charged parts.


45/45/10 is a mix of liquid 45% alox, 45% johnson's wax paste and 10% mineral spirits. It actually makes a very effective tumble lube for lead cast bullets. 50/50 would just be the liquid alox/wax paste.

A lot of folks powder coating bullets DO use the electrostatic equipment you are speaking of. They load the bullets on some kind of conductive material and give them a spray. Others, like me, have found that you can get the job done by swirling them around in a plastic container to generate static. It doesn't look as pretty but is a whole lot quicker and doesn't require any other tools.
 
Just read some of the many threads and one will see that leading is not the only reason to try the space age wonder coatings that people are putting on their bullets.
Yes, exactly.

I'm following up on those theads to see if the "higher velocity" claim holds any water (concerning accuracy, not fouling). And to see if they eliminate gas tube fouling of a semiauto rifle.

Another claim is less smoke. Is it me, or does this mostly apply to revolvers? I hear this, but I seem to be immune. When shooting any of my cast reloads out of a locked breech handgun, I can't tell any significant difference in smoke from factory loads. This includes shooting rapidly at an indoor range. Using my cast reloads, a 5 second mag dump out of a Glock has almost no smoke... No obscuring of the vision, no funny looks from other shooters. No one notices. I can't even notice, myself.

I get a big cloud from a every single shot out of a blowback or revolver. I do not shoot cast reloads indoors with those guns.

AFAIK for now, the main attraction is to eliminate lead fouling and smoke. (I don't have any hard info on the first two claims, yet.) This is a good enough reason for many if not most reloaders to be interested in the extra time and effort. Not for me, because the guns I shoot the most do not foul nor smoke with my tumbled lubed cast bullets.

Before you jump on the bandwagon of DIY powder coat, you might want to consider your alternatives. One possible alternative is to fix your load so it doesn't have those problems. If you spend the time to do this, once, you might save a lot of time playing Baker-Barbie on your bullets in the future. Or you might waste a bunch of time trying and failing, of course. Not everyone figures out how to shoot a cast load, successfully, in any given gun. To me, powder coat is a way bigger interest to commercial vendors. I would buy PC bullets premade. Since it's so cheap and easy, the price should be less than Berry's plated to be competitive, I would think.
 
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Some people just like colored projectiles.

Some people use it to avoid leading.

I think they look very nice, but I don't think I'll spend the time, money or effort.
 
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