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What kind of guns do the bad guys carry?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by GunnyUSMC, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. theotherwaldo

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    The smarter ones tend to go into less violent crimes where the punishment for failure is less severe and the rewards for success are higher.
    -Unless they go into politics... .
     
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  2. luzyfuerza

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    Gunny, another thing I've gathered from this thread is the sheer volume of firearms that you've been asked to process. That's a lot of handguns to come into police possession in a relatively short period of time (assuming your agency isn't huge).
     
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  3. newfalguy101

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    Whatever they can get...

    I think the quality would depend on the "class" of criminal

    Everyday street thug, literally whatever they can get or steal

    Higher class likely higher quality guns
     
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    We can only be thankful that the ammunition used is usually wrong for the gun or the very cheapest fmj available. Or at least, that's what I'm hoping...
     
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    I would guess that whatever people leave in their vehicle is what the majority are. Also, FMJ round are great for drive-by shootings as the round penetrates housing materials very easily.
     
  6. GunnyUSMC

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    I process approximately 800 to 1000 guns a year. I don’t get any of the revolvers or shotguns. My department has about 650 officers and we pickup about 2000 guns a year off the streets.
    Not very often do we get guns with the wrong type of ammo. There are 32 cal revolvers that are sometimes picked up that are loaded with 32 Auto.
    We have a gang that call themselves The Bankstown Mafia. There are about 15 to 20 members that we have identified. They like beefing with others. Most of them are the type 5hat will shoot at others from across the street, but there are two that are straight up killers. They’ve been in and out of jail because, liberal judges keep letting them out.
     
  7. John Joseph

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    This thread is a very good reason for having a gun safe.
    Guns do get stolen, and the only market for stolen guns are criminals----more often gangs.
    So any of the guns you own, if they were stolen, would most likely end up in the hands of criminals.
    A petty thief doesn't want to be caught with a hot gun so they get sold to the only people fool enough to buy a stolen gun---criminals
     
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  8. Tommygunn

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    Any gun that is stolen is by definition, already in the hands of (a) criminal(s).

    But, yea, the thread does inherently argue for securing your guns!
     
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  9. John Joseph

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    I should have added criminals who'll use guns.
    Check how many stolen guns are used in the commission of crimes or recovered from gang members.
     
  10. labnoti

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    It's credulous to think that people are identified by categories like "petty thief," as if they have a business card, "Joseph Peters, Petty Theif." People commit petit theft because they're sinners, and that's the same reason they commit insurance fraud or cheat on their wives. It's also the reason a person would receive stolen merchandise. They don't have to buy a stolen gun if someone gives it to them, and there are plenty of people that have received stolen items as gifts who willingly took them. Others won't ask any questions because they don't want to know. Does it make any difference if it's a gun, or auto parts, a watch or building materials, or clothes, electronics, movies, software, porn?

    There once was a man that broke into the garden shed on the property of a man he worked for. He found a .22, like a kit gun in a tackle box among fishing items and took it with a few other things. A few days later he walked into someone's house uninvited. An old woman came out of her bedroom and he shot her in the face with that .22. She retreated into her bedroom where he shot her several more times. On another day, he shot another person, and then another. He walked into the house of the man whose .22 it was, and he shot the man's wife. The old man was sitting on his bed getting dressed and he shot him too. This petty thief took a few trinkets, an Apple watch, some silver rings. He gave some items to his mom. He kept some. He pawned others at a pawn shop that did buy them. That was back in January. So why didn't he sell the gun to the only people fool enough to buy a stolen gun -- criminals?
     
  11. John Joseph

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    Depends on the criminal.
    Most already have priors and many are well aware of enhancements when firearms are involved.
    Druggies/gang bangers are a different matter.
    Sadly none of this is pertinent in California any more.
     
  12. GunnyUSMC

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    A few more to add.

    380 Auto
    (2) Ruger LCP
    (1) Walther PK380
    (1) Taurus PT738
    (1) Sig P238
    (1) Grendel P-12
    (1) FIE Titan II

    9mm
    (2) S&W SD9VE
    (1) S&W CS9
    (1) Glock 19 G4
    (3) Glock 43
    (1) Sig P250
    (2) Taurus PT111G2
    (1) FN FNS-9
    (1) Diamondback DP9
    (1) Masterpiece Arms MPA30T

    40 S&W
    (3) S&W SD40VE
    (1) Glock 27

    45 Auto
    (1) Glock 30
    (1) Ruger P345
    (1) CZ 1911

    10mm
    (1) Glock 20

    7.63X39
    (1) Century Arms RAS47
    (1) Romarm Draco
     
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  13. GunnyUSMC

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    Here's the next batch.

    380 Auto
    (2) Glock 42
    (1) Ruger LCP
    (1) Taurus Spectrum

    9mm
    (2) S&W SD9VE
    (2) S&W M&P9 Shield
    (3) Glock 19 G4
    (1) Ruger SR9
    (1) Ruger 9E
    (3) Taurus PT111 G2
    (4) Taurus G2C
    (1) Taurus pt107 Slim
    (1) Springfield XD9 sub compact
    (1) Springfield XDs 3.3
    (1) Springfield XD9
    (1) HiPoint C9
    (1) Jimenez Arms JA NINE

    40 S&W
    (1) Sig P250
    (1) S&W SD40VE
    (1) Glock 22

    45 Auto
    (1) Glock21
    (1) Glock 21 G2
    (1) IMI Desert Eagle
    (1) Colt Govt.
    (1) Hi Point JHP

    5.56
    (1) American Tactical Mil-Sport

    7.62x39
    (1) Romarm Draco
    (1) Century Arms GP 1975
     
  14. rdnktrkr

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    I always look forward to your reports on these guns even though I don't like it that some of what I use is on it:(. What can be done to get guns out of criminals hands?

    Around Atlanta there seems to be multiple shootings every week and I can't believe everyone is legally carried. Makes me want to stay out of downtown.
     
  15. theotherwaldo

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    The way to take guns out of the hands of criminals is to actually punish criminals for misusing guns.

    Don't bargain those counts away.

    Don't go for the bigger, more dramatic count.

    Punish improper use of a firearm. Especially repeat offenders.
     
  16. GunnyUSMC

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    This is correct.
    Project Exile was kicked off in 1997. It added five years that could not run consecutive. To many complained that to many blacks were having to spend more time behind bars so, now days it is not enforced.
    You would be surprised at how many guns we take off of Felons. And most of the guns we pick up have drug related charges.
    As long as the punishment for crime is less then the reward, crime will not go down.
     
  17. theotherwaldo

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    Until the old, vicious, 18th century concept of Racism is extinguished, absurdities like this will continue to surface.
    My race is HUMAN. Yours is, too.

    Poor logic and ancient bias are our greatest enemy, for gun owners and everyone else.
     
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    In how many of these cases are the firearms charges actually kept? Do they get plead away or dropped to focus on the drug charges?
     
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  19. herrwalther

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    I worked in pre-trial confinement detention. Many of the inmates were repeat offenders. There were unofficial pools when inmate so and so would be arrested again. It is no secret in law enforcement that it is not hard for an offender to get a firearm once they hit the streets again. I recall one offender in particular who managed to sweet talk the judge into going to rehab for armed robbery. He used a pellet gun to threaten a Lowes cashier while he stole a chainsaw, which he sold to pay for drugs. Within 12 hours he had escaped from his rehab facility. Less than 12 hours after his escape he was arrested on an escape warrant and had a firearm. Stolen from a car a few blocks away from the rehab facility.
     
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  20. ClickClickD'oh

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    Ooof. I missed that CZ 1911 showing up on the list.
     
  21. GunnyUSMC

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    Something we see all the time is, when a repeat felon is finally put away for a long time, some say why was he still out on the streets with all the crimes he had already committed.
    These guys get locked up and then let out, and they go back to doing the same thing because the money is so good.
     
  22. theotherwaldo

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    -And when prison is no longer a source of fear then it is no longer a punishment. It becomes "three hots and a cot, guaranteed first quality by the US Government."
    The only positive result is that these "penitents" aren't on the street, doing what they would normally be doing.
    I say, tack on those five years of additional safety for the public.
    It would only hurt the lawyers.
     
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  23. WestKentucky

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    A lot of cool stuff popping up. I especially like the Grendel p12. Old school Kelgren cool.
     
  24. rdnktrkr

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    Looking at the news, looks like we will have a local county doing what you do, I wonder if we could find out what is used around here?
     
  25. DerMerchant

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    Do you destroy the guns?
     
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