What makes a good BP hunting rifle???

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A good friend of mine has asked me to help him pick out a BP rifle for hunting here in Ohio. I'm the only "gun guy" he knows, but I don't have a clue about what makes a good BP rifle. I can go on for hours about S&W revolvers, Pre 64 Winchesters, and many other cartridge arms, but I am completely lost when it comes to BP arms.

I guess what I'm asking for is a primer that includes what types of features determine a quality hunting rifle, all the little things like various ignition types, what rifling twists work better with sabots or balls , which powders burn best, et,et.

Thank you.
 
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beings you say bp hunting rifle, first thing I would forget the sabots, just don't seem to fit with bp hunting rifle, (for me). I have used only round ball for deer hunting with real blackpowder. Really kind of a tough question. Most people around here say they want to hunt with with bp gun go out and buy an inline, these people know absolutely nothing about muzzleloaders, they think a scope mounted inline shooting sabots and pyrodex is a muzzleloader. WRONG. I have shot deer with a .50 caplock, .45 flintlock, .62 smoothbore flintlock, I feel the deer shot with a flintlock is an accomplishment, something to be proud of no matter how big the deer. chances are the deer will be well under 50 yards, meaning you actually have to be a hunter, and know how your gun shoots. just depends on how involved your friend wants to get. If he is up to the challenge and wants to put the time in to learn how to shoot a real muzzleloader, I would say go with a quality caplock or flintlock. If he doesn't want to put the time in, go with an inline. Much more rewarding and fun with a real muzzleloader though, (and cheaper to shoot). chuck-ia
 
There's literally dozens of models that would rate as quality muzzle loaders in the modern and traditional hunting realm.
Does he want to hunt with round balls, saboted bullets, or possibly both?
There are also scores of different traditional & modern actions.
Modern inlines have faster, shallower rifling which aren't designed to shoot round balls well.
Traditional guns can have either slow, medium or fast twist rifling which determines which ammunition type it will shoot best.
Cost is always a factor and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
It's often wood vs. plastic or laminate, modern vs. traditional, balls vs. conicals or sabots, #209 shotgun primers vs. #11 percussion caps, American made vs. imported, lifetime warranty vs. no warranty, stainless vs. nickel or blue steel, removable breech plug vs. non-removable breech plug, single vs. double triggers, shooting accuracy at 75 yards vs. 150 yards, black powder vs. substitute powders, enclosed weather proof designs vs. non-weatherproof designs, using a scope vs. using open sights or fiber optics, longer length barrels vs. shorter carbine barrels, heavy vs. lightweight, thumbhole stocks vs. whatever... the list seems endless. :D
1 in 20" to 1 in 32" twist is basically considered to be a fast twist for shooting sabots.
1 in 38" to 1 in 48" twist is basically considered to be a medium twist for shooting either round balls, conicals or saboted bullets.
1 in 59" to over 1 in 100" twist is basically considered to be a slow twist for shooting patched round balls.
Quite often, with the proper load development, inexpensive imported guns can come pretty close to holding there own accuracy wise with the more expensive domestic models, but not always as good as the most expensive custom, or semi-custom hand made rifles.
Reliability problems usually involve flintlock models more, and not the percussion guns nearly as much.
Start shopping around some muzzle loading catalog websites like Bass Pro, Cabela's or Dixie Gun Works, and view some of the different modern and traditional actions and the consumer feedback that's posted on those websites.
Also, visit as many manufacturer's websites as possible and view & analyze their products to see what personal preferences your friend has. Most products fulfill their intended purpose just fine. It's largely a matter of personal taste, cost and how any particular rifle fits the buyer.
Then you'll be able to develop more specific questions about a particular action style or model.
 
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smith357,
A question such as yours will surely spark a controversy of traditional vs. inline rifles.
I own both and have shot deer with both. though most with the traditional simply because I've hunted with them longer.
Second hand traditional rifles can often be found at a reasonable price and in my opinion are much more fun to shoot.
For hunting, using a patched round ball or conical, one does not have to feel under- gunned with a traditional.
The in-lines are great shooters especially using optics and are certainly effective in the hunting field.
So it's really a matter of choice.
Respectfully, Zeke
 
What makes a good black powder hunting rifle? Why, a minie gun of course. Parker-Hale musketoon. Short 24" barrel makes it handy and light in the field. Quicker to load than a round ball flintlock rifle. Reaches out to 500 yards too though I recommend getting closer by stalking one's game.
 
If the rifle was for me I would buy the T/C Hawken Rifle Kit and do the finish work myself, but I'm helping a friend with no mechanical ability and he does not care what his hunting rifle looks like as he will most likely camo it unless it is already camo. His budget is around $400 or I would have directed him towards something like the Encore Pro Hunter. I own two contenders and 8 barrels and have been very pleased with Thompson Centers customer service, are their BP barrels as good as their smokeless barrels? Is the Omega a decent choice?

CVA and Lyman rifles used to have a bad quality reputation, have they improved over the last 20 years? ( At least I think they did, my memory is fading along with my eyes. :) )

The Knight rolling blocks look interesting, but I don't know anything about the company or their reputation.

Am I wrong for being completely turned off by rifles in blister packs, or do some of them deserve consideration.

That is all for now, but I'm sure I'll have more questions soon.
 
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A sharp flint on a fast lock, long barrel with a silver front sight, a nice piece of maple for a stock. Triggers that set well and release with a sigh. A slow twist, that sends the ball true. Horn and bag that wear like an old shirt.
Thats my hunting rifle.

Yours is out there, might take a while to find it, but it's there.:)

Oneshooter
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A sharp flint on a fast lock, long barrel with a silver front sight, a nice piece of maple for a stock. Triggers that set well and release with a sigh. A slow twist, that sends the ball true. Horn and bag that wear like an old shirt.

I think I'm in love :D

Smith357: You could do worse than ask your friend what type of sight he sees himself shooting with. If it's telescopic then thats reduced the field somewhat!
 
I stopped at Gander Mt. on the way home and inspected a few big brands. I know I may be biased towards T/C :) but I liked the apperent quality of the fit and finish. I loved the T/C Hawken, but that's another story. The CVA's looked pretty good and the Traditions looked to be of lesser quality, the rod looking like a real P.O.S..

At this point you would have to talk me out of the T/C Omega.

Are the quick release breeches really practical or needed? It seems like a good idea, but does it work in the real world?

Is the recessed muzzle good.

I really liked the Savage but it is out of the price range.

All this research has me wanting to build a long rifle. :)
 
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