Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

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The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro Shops wouldn't let me buy a 870 my father had reserved the day earlier for me to pick up.

He said it was the straw law. The straw law says we can buy guns for immediate family members, or something along those lines:confused:

I went to Walmart, bought the same shotgun, and called the BPS manager and complained. He said the guy behind the counter was a new hire.

Funny thing is the shotgun(870) was $30 less at W-M.
 
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Uncle wanted a .22 hornet and found one that he liked at a gun show. The seller claimed it was a real 'tack driver'. So uncle handed over cash and took it home.

The only way this thing would drive a tack would be if you used the buttstock as a hammer.

I was in the process of relining a Steven's visible loader and uncle thought a rimfire liner would work to fix the rifle. Well, the liner worked fine for my rimfire but it didn't have enough wall for a hornet when chambered. I used solder on my rifle, he used acraglass. I think he should have soldered it in, he might have made it work. The chamber has a dimple and extaction is a bitch.

So now I have this savage rifle in .22 hornet uncle gave me in utter frustration and someday I'm likely going to buy a centerfire liner and fix it just to do it. If I fail, it isn't like I ruined a gun.

Clutch
 
I over heard a FFL trying to sell a gun to a woman that hated guns and
did not like the recoil of any gun except a .22 .
She did know that a .22 was a small cal.
So the FFL told her that the .22 was the most deadly cal. out there; or why would so many people own them??
FFL even named some cal. that are not as deadly as the .22... .38-.357-.45-9mm etc...

Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid.
John Wayne
 
The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro Shops wouldn't let me buy a 870 my father had reserved the day earlier for me to pick up.

He said it was the straw law. The straw law says we can buy guns for immediate family members, or something along those lines

You can buy a gun for a family member *as a gift*. You are not allowed to purchase it for them in their stead. Sorry, but the BPS employee was 100% right in this case.
 
CSAman The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro Shops wouldn't let me buy a 870 my father had reserved the day earlier for me to pick up.

He said it was the straw law. The straw law says we can buy guns for immediate family members, or something along those lines

I went to Walmart, bought the same shotgun, and called the BPS manager and complained. He said the guy behind the counter was a new hire....
What you describe is a classic example of a straw sale.....one person comes in and identifies the firearm he wants, then another comes in later to purchase the firearm. ATF provides training materials to dealers to watch for this exact situation.

You and the BPS manager need to bone up on ATF regulations.....the new hire did EXACTLY what he should have done.

Immediate family members are not exempted from straw sales.
 
There are plenty of Ishapore Enfields that were not "converted", but designed and chambered for the 7.62NATO/.308Win. Doesn't make the clerk any less of an idiot, but as with most misinformation there is a spark of truth.

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Yes the British, Canadian and Australians all had SMLE .303 British guns converted to 7.52x51mm NATO so he isn't incorrect...See: L39A1, L42A1, Canadian Arsenals (Long Branch) DCRA Conversion Rifle etc.

What the Indians did not do is redesign the rifle, all they did was change the metallurgy of the receiver to Cro-Mag steel to handle the higher pressures, added a different extractor to the bolt face and changed the magazine but the gun is still a SMLE in all dimensions...The barrels were cut to the same dimensions just chambered in a different calibre--same as what happened to the P14 and M17 during WW1!

They had the pattern for 70+ years and the machinery and tooling set up to do it the way they were licensed to...So they only changed the pressure handling ability and a mechanism to handle a non rimmed cartridge and later changed the rear sight...This way they didn't have to spend millions on setting up another factory full of tools for a stop gap rifle until the FAL (that they were also licensed to build) was incorporated and then again these SMLE were designated for Provincial Police usage.
 
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My local gun dealer told me my 1911 race gun isn't worth the $1200 I was asking for it. The base Colt mk4 series 70 was only worth 4-500 bucks and I should lower the price. A sailor on leave with his girlfriend got me to lower my price to $900, because I'm a vet and I was looking after a fellow soldier in my eyes.
 
So the FFL told her that the .22 was the most deadly cal. out there; or why would so many people own them??

Actually, he's correct, more people die from .22, in part from lack of respect for the caliber, but a gun is a gun, including a pellet gun, which also causes a number of fatalities every year.
 
Actually, he's correct, more people die from .22, in part from lack of respect for the caliber, but a gun is a gun, including a pellet gun, which also causes a number of fatalities every year.

Actually they don't...The statistics are flawed in they have included .22 centerfire rounds into the equation same as the hullabaloo over .50 cal BP rifles being confused for the .50 BMG.

They also have included suicides into the figures which have no bearing on the lethality of the cartridge beyond point blank, touching the temple, distances.
 
"Actually, he's correct, more people die from .22, in part from lack of respect for the caliber,............." shadow 7d

The FFL wasn't talking sats he was talking "kill - stoping power" preformance to make a sale.

I watched a drunk dude get shot 3 times in the lower abdomen with a .22.
He walked to his car drove home and came back. Beat the crap out of the shooter with a ball bat. Sat down and waited for LEOs and emergency.

Yes he was VERY luckly they didn't play "pinball wizard" in his body.

That which does not kill me makes me stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche
 
Yes the British, Canadian and Australians all had SMLE .303 British guns converted to 7.52x51mm NATO so he isn't incorrect...See: L39A1, L42A1, Canadian Arsenals (Long Branch) DCRA Conversion Rifle etc.
He said "unmolested" as if all 7.62NATO/.308Win. Enfields were converted...that is absolutely not the case.

What the Indians did not do is redesign the rifle, all they did was change the metallurgy of the receiver to Cro-Mag steel to handle the higher pressures, added a different extractor to the bolt face and changed the magazine but the gun is still a SMLE in all dimensions...The barrels were cut to the same dimensions just chambered in a different calibre--same as what happened to the P14 and M17 during WW1!
So they "didn't redesign the rifle" but they changed the metallurgical specifications, changed parts for ones of a different design, and chambered the rifle for a different cartridge? :confused: Exactly what constitutes a re-designed firearm? I suppose that we didn't redesign the Mauser when we miraculously created the Springfield M-1903 either...or does changing the name count for something more? :rolleyes:
 
From Wiki: The results of the trials that were conducted on the L8 series rifles were mixed, and the British Government and the Ministry of Defence decided not to convert their existing stocks of Lee-Enfield No. 4 rifles to 7.62 mm NATO. Despite this, the British learned from the results of the L8 test program and used them in successfully converting their stocks of No. 4 (T) sniper rifles to 7.62 mm NATO which led to the creation of the L42A1 series sniper rifles

I said I'm pretty sure they are mostly .303 british and have heard of some being converted to .308. [...] The owner had caught him trying to put .308 into a unmolested enfield on the range to prove his point to a different customer.

Take a Long Branch, a Lithgow, a Savage, a PKO, a BSA all in .303 British (7.7x57Rmm) and an older converted Ishapore in .308 (before the sight changes) minus the magazines and with full furniture including bayonets and set them besides each other and then tell me which is which.

Ishapore, in 1962/3 saw what happened to the other Commonwealth country earlier, 1958/61, attempts to convert to 7.62x51 NATO and they didn't change the dimensions of the receiver, just the metallurgy nor did they change the barrel except to make a shorter chamber in it and of course reduce the diameter to .308 from .311.

They used the same blueprints, the same tooling except barrel interior and bolt face but didn't change barrel profile or length or the bolt's length except for the extractor/claws...What they aren't, are conversions but purpose built rifles just using all the same dimensions with a chamber change.

Same thing if you mount a bigger V8 in small V8 Corvette Stingray...It's still a Corvette that just goes a little faster but it isn't a different car.
 
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Which is an outstanding source. :confused: Again, I didn't state that none were converted...only that some (most) were not.

Take a Long Branch, a Lithgow, a Savage, a PKO, a BSA all in .303 British (7.7x57Rmm) and an older converted Ishapore in .308 (before the sight changes) minus the magazines and with full furniture including bayonets and set them besides each other and then tell me which is which.
So because one part is difficult to distinguish it hasn't been redesigned. If you believe this one has not been, why don't you point out to me one rifle that has been redesigned?

...and they didn't change the dimensions of the receiver, just the metallurgy nor did they change the barrel except to make a shorter chamber in it and of course reduce the diameter to .308 from .311. [...] They used the same blueprints...
Well I suppose you can just swap one for the other shooting .303Brit. or 7.62NATO in either...seeing as how they are the same, including the prints and all. :rolleyes:

Same thing if you mount a bigger V8 in small V8 Corvette Stingray...It's still a Corvette that just goes a little faster but it isn't a different car.
Where did I say that it was a completely different rifle...I didn't, it is a variant of the SMLE. I said that the Ishapore Enfield was not converted, which is 100% true. Later I stated that it was redesigned to accommodate the different chambering, which again is 100% true. If the designs (to include the blueprints and specifications) changed, it was redesigned...the designs (including the action, the extractor, the magazine, the barrel, the sights {for nearly all manufactured in 7.62}) did change. This is getting ridiculous.

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Mike nice .........I had a guy at the gun show tell me, "Yeah these Ranger Ts are the new and improved Black Talons. They'll rip body armor to shreds. Cops have to get special permission to use them. That is why they can't be sold to the general public. I could go to jail if I was caught selling them to you."



I don't understand where the lie is. They have the same ballistics the copper jac. Forms the same distinct shape and only available to Leo. Is true a friend of mine who is a loc. Cop was told he could not use them in his service side arm by his capt.
 
Anthony, if you peruse Ammo To Go and SG Ammo it is not uncommon to find surplus Ranger-T ammo for sale. This is for sale to the general public.

There is no law in the my area that prevents civilians from owning any hollow point. It is a rule from Winchester that is selectively enforced at best.

Black Talons nor modern "T" bullets will rip through body armor. I believe Shawn Dodson had a good article about the wound profile of "talon" bullets on his website. Most of the issue of the bullet "ripping" or "cutting" was marketing and media hype. The biggest concern was that doctors might cut themselves on the talon when removing the bullet.

Most police departments don't use them because they have an issue with core and jacket seperation in barriers. In a department that isn't issued the bullet you most likely would be denied the right to use them because they are not department aproved. Many departments issue one type of ammo that must be carried by all officers. Most likely that is why his Cpt. told him no.
 
Ok, not exactly a lie, but I was in Impact in Ogden today with the new wife, eyeballing pistols, and some of the 'help' came and asked me if I needed help finding anything.

"Yes, do you have a RCBS #3 shall holder?"

He totally gave me the Homer Simpson blink, and asked me; "What the heck is that?" (Even my wife agreed that he asked me in a mocking, condescending tone,)

"It's the shell holder you need to hold casings like .45 acp or 22-250 in a reloading press. Do you have any reloading gear?"

"Oh, um...no."

"Thanks anyway. "

I'm not a gun genius, but it would occur to me that if you work in a gun store, you should at least know what the basic components of reloading ARE.
 
"Yeah the thing is basically brand new. I know the guy that owned it. He never even fired the gun."

He must have spent a lot of time manually cycling the slide then. The finish was worn off of the hammer where the slide rubbed it so many times. The top of the chamber had scuff marks from the slide coming back, and the finish around the end of the barrel was discolored from heating. It looked like the thing had been run through a 300 round session and stored.
 
When I was shopping for my Kimber Pro Carry II I went into Chimo Gun's in Wasilla, AK. I feel no qualms calling them out.
Note: I was only shopping, just checking prices and I asked how much a Kimber Pro Carry II with Night Sights. So he pulls out the Kimber Dealer Book, looks up the item number and starts writing me a bill of sale.
How presumptuous!
He writes, "$979 + $10 tax + shipping $35." That's $1024.
I said, "Excuse me, is that the blue version?"
"They don't make the blued version with night sights," and continues to write the bill of sale.
I said, "No, I want the blued version with night sights."
He looked and me and yelled, and I mean seriously yelled, "IT DOESN'T EXIST!"
A patron who had just purchased something and was leaving said, "I have a Kimber Pro Carry II that is blued with night sights right from the factory."
Gundealer looks through the books again. "Oh yeah. There it is. It'll take 6-8 weeks to get here, that fast shipping since I'm a Kimber Master Dealer."
I said, "Actually, at that price, I'll look around."
Gundealer said, "Fine! You won't find it anywhere else in town! No one but me can get you that pistol and it's impossible to find it cheaper!"

One week later I had a brand new Kimber Pro Carry II with factory night sights from Gunbroker for $870 SHIPPED and TRANSFER FEE!

Because of his lies, neither I nor anyone I know will shop there.
 
I was in a local shop last week looking at rifles when this guy came in looking at handguns. He asked to see one of the XDm's and the guy behind the counter asked him if he knew what the M meant when he handed the firearm to him. He said "No" the guy behind the counter went on to tell him that " It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate" I had to leave cause it took everything I had to keep from laughing , I Still find it funny a week later.
 
I was in a local shop last week looking at rifles when this guy came in looking at handguns. He asked to see one of the XDm's and the guy behind the counter asked him if he knew what the M meant when he handed the firearm to him. He said "No" the guy behind the counter went on to tell him that " It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate" I had to leave cause it took everything I had to keep from laughing , I Still find it funny a week later.

Ummmm....he would be correct. I don't know what's worse, a GS owner giving misinformation or someone accusing him of giving misinformation when he hasn't. Do your homework before making false claims.
 
Want to see another good one ? Go to Gunbroker, and see how many Star 1911 pistols you can find. Maybe it's just me..... but I dont recall many Star parts interchanging with 1911 pistols.
 
I was in a local shop last week looking at rifles when this guy came in looking at handguns. He asked to see one of the XDm's and the guy behind the counter asked him if he knew what the M meant when he handed the firearm to him. He said "No" the guy behind the counter went on to tell him that " It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate" I had to leave cause it took everything I had to keep from laughing , I Still find it funny a week later.
I would educate you but two others already have. The XDM is equipped with a match grade barrel and in my experience is a very worthy target pistol. My XDM .40 is very accurate and is an excellent handgun. The "M" in XDM is specifically a designation for the match grade barrel.
 
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