Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

[Hunter125]

I was in a Gander Mtn one day looking at .380's. The guy had the LCP and TCP out. He told me the Ruger didn't have a last round hold open (which I think is right, correct me if I'm wrong). Then he said the Taurus is nice because it does have one, but it doesn't have a slide release, so you have to rack it. He had put in an empty mag and demonstrated the hold open. I pointed to the button on the side and said, "So what's that?" He said he didn't know, pushed it, and like magic the slide released. He gave me some lame excuse about handling too many guns that day, I thanked him and left.
Later I heard the same guy talking to a guy getting a .22 for his kid. Clerk said, "Get the Ruger, it's the.only really reliable semi .22. The Marlins aren't very reliable."
I almost went up and called his BS right to his face, but decided to mind my own business. Kinda wish I had.

 

[gun addict]

Ranger officer/salesman
"steel cased ammo ruins your gun! They scratch up the chamber and pretty much destorys the inside after couple thousands of rounds, here buy these overpriced 45acp FMJ ammo for the range, what are you shooting by the way?"

I told him no thanks, pulled out 200 rounds of Wolf 45acp and a almost new Dan Wesson Cbob then shot them all at that range

 

[guyfromohio]

Gander Mountain 4 years ago.... "What's the difference between this XD9 for $429 and this one over here for $499?" Answer: "That one comes with free XD gear."



Same store a few months prior. Price went up $60 on a Ruger SS6 from Friday to Monday. Asked why..... "All guns now come with free gunsmithing and cleaning for the first year."

 

[Susanna]

This happened years ago, just as the ban on hi-cap mags in California was looming... I went into a store that used to get a lot of my business, and was looking at a 915 Smith (wanted a cheap and reliable pistol for use out at the ranch)... He pulled one out of the box, and it had a single 10 round mag, not the pair of 15's that come with the pistol. I asked what the deal was, he tried to tell me that the 15 round mags (yeah, the ones the gun shipped with) were an extra for that pistol at $125 each... he would be happy to sell me an extra 10 round mag for $75... I asked Mr Used Car Salesman why the box for the firearm had spaces for both mags, he gave me some song and dance about how S&W expected you to buy a spare mag for the firearm...

Mind you, I think the MSRP on that firearm was all of $300 or less.

Needless to say, they not only didn't make the sale, they actually asked why a "smart girl like me couldn't see what a great deal that was"...

 

[robMaine]

Gander Mountain 4 years ago.... "What's the difference between this XD9 for $429 and this one over here for $499?" Answer: "That one comes with free XD gear."



Same store a few months prior. Price went up $60 on a Ruger SS6 from Friday to Monday. Asked why..... "All guns now come with free gunsmithing and cleaning for the first year."

Not entirely impossible as they do sell an "essentials" kit. that doesn't come with the junk holster and mag carrier,

 

[allaroundhunter]

Not entirely impossible as they do sell an "essentials" kit. that doesn't come with the junk holster and mag carrier,

The point is "free" XD gear....for $70 more

 

[kynwatch]

What a great time for this to get revived! Had knee surgery yesterday and read every post(1088 to be exact). At least I was already wasting my time stuck in bed.

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[mhphoto]

I heard too many "XXXX is the best" and "XXXX is crap" comments about various guns one day and I've stopped being nice about it ever since. I just call them on their BS now.

I wonder what psychological thing is going on that so many people seem compelled to believe that there is only one brand or model that's the best in any given category. They're always searching for a zenith that doesn't exist.

 

[CZguy]

I wonder what psychological thing is going on that so many people seem compelled to believe that there is only one brand or model that's the best in any given category. They're always searching for a zenith that doesn't exist.

I don't know about the psychological aspect, but I believe that the phenom that you are referring to is a direct result of very effective marketing. I've noticed that when ever someone buys anything, (not just guns) then that was the best choice to make, and if anyone else made a different selection, then they were just plain wrong.

The current firearms market is full of guns that are very similar. For example Glock sells a lot more pistols in the US than Styer. But the Styers (in my view) are a little better in every aspect. But just wait and watch the reaction to this post. Emotion will win every time nowadays.

 

[BearAZ737]

I just read every single post!! This thread is amazing! not in a good way.. I have been lucky and gotten great deals on my firearms and dealt with very nice people.

However here in AZ at a lgs they had 9mm for $20 and .45acp for $35 a box of 50!!! I laughed my way out the door.

 

[atalkingsausage]

Did you all know that Gen 4 glock 23's are only available to law enforcement? I had a local pawn shop owner try to tell me that. Good thing I didn't buy the one he was trying to sell me. I would hate to have the ATF show up on my doorstep.... (sarcasm)

 

[LawScholar]

Stoeger is owned by Benelli, and Benelli is owned by Beretta...so yeah Stoeger is technically making beretta guns on beretta equipment

That is true.

 

[Infidel4life11]

ME: looking at a Rem 700 that looked pretty custom to me.
FFL: told me it was from the factory "new in the box"
ME: can see the box?
FFL: I don't have it the guy who traded it in didn't bring the box.
ME: ?!?!?!?!?........ Bless your heart and Have a nice day.

 

[kynwatch]

I guess I don't get out as much as everyone else or I hang out at good shops. Of course I've got Bud's Gun Shop 20 minutes one way and Gilberts Gun Shop 20 minutes the other. I've had nothing but great experiences at both and it's hard to beat the prices at either!

Not a lie but did get swept four or five times at the local Sportsmen's Warehouse by the salesman. He was fired within minutes. Seems he had several complaints for doing this. To make it worse he never checked the guns when he pulled them from the case. Just swept you a few times and handed them over.

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[D94R]

I walked into Gunnies to check out their selection of concealable 1911's (of which they had none) and got to looking at a light weight full size Kimber. Priced at $919.

Me "Not, what I'm really looking for, but what can you do on the price if I do buy this right now?"

Dealer "Nothing".

Me "You can't come down to $900 flat?"

Dealer "Nope, Kimber is raising the price on the 2011 models so we can't budge on the price"

Me "This is a 2010 model?"

Dealer "Yes"

Me "So you can't deal on a 2010 model because Kimber's increasing their price for 2011?"

Dealer "Yes"



I just set the 1911 back on the counter and walked away.

FWIW, 15 minutes later I was buying a Colt 1991A1 Commander on consignment at another LGS, for much cheaper than that Kimber was. Their loss.

 

[dogtown tom]

D94R I walked into Gunnies to check out their selection of concealable 1911's (of which they had none) and got to looking at a light weight full size Kimber. Priced at $919.
Me "Not, what I'm really looking for, but what can you do on the price if I do buy this right now?"
Dealer "Nothing".
Me "You can't come down to $900 flat?"
Dealer "Nope, Kimber is raising the price on the 2011 models so we can't budge on the price"
Me "This is a 2010 model?"
Dealer "Yes"
Me "So you can't deal on a 2010 model because Kimber's increasing their price for 2011?"
Dealer "Yes"

The quickest way to go out of business is selling an item for less than its replacement cost.

Guns aren't like cars. There isn't a 2010 model, 2011 model etc.

What he was trying to tell you was the Kimber price increase effective in 2011 would keep him from selling his current Kimbers for less than their marked price.

Retailers (in any business, not just guns) need to know their replacement cost before they price their current stock.

Selling his Kimber for less than his replacement cost= going out of business sale in the future.

***And where exactly was he lying?

 

[J_McLeod]

laser grips are like used tires; why don't you just install them on the gun for us and it'll sweeten the deal for everyone.

-dealer told me to sell my sig for $400 and to throw in the crimson trace grips b/c they weren't worth anything. I'll show him if I can sell the suckers.....

I had someone offer me 300 for my Beretta Tomcat w/ Crimson Trace because that's what they were going for at Bud's. He said he was sure I didn't know that Bud's had them so low. I'm also sure I told him it had the crimson trace on it.

I had another person offer to buy my MG CMJ bullets for the same price he was paying for lead bullets.

 

[dev_null]

"That's a great little deer gun: extremely accurate and when you're done you just fold it up and throw it behind the seat" -- about a Mini-14 with a folding 'paratroop' stock.

The third part about folding it up, while technically true, wasn't exactly sound advice for how to treat a firearm in my book, but it was the first two remarks that got me. First, you can't hunt deer with a .223 in VA (nothing anything under a .25 cal bore, IIRC) and second, it was indeed accurate -- if you call 5" groups at 35 yards accurate.

 

[rromeo]

First, you can't hunt deer with a .223 in VA (nothing anything under a .25 cal bore, IIRC)

.23 or bigger, but yeah, .223 is not legal.

 

[scythefwd]

rromeo - just wait till they come out with a .230 AR or something idiotic like that so people can use the absolute minimum to hunt deer with.

 

[D94R]

The quickest way to go out of business is selling an item for less than its replacement cost.

Guns aren't like cars. There isn't a 2010 model, 2011 model etc.

What he was trying to tell you was the Kimber price increase effective in 2011 would keep him from selling his current Kimbers for less than their marked price.

Retailers (in any business, not just guns) need to know their replacement cost before they price their current stock.

Selling his Kimber for less than his replacement cost= going out of business sale in the future.

***And where exactly was he lying?

His cost was already covered for him to have that gun in person for me to hold. I wasn't offering to order from a catalog.

If he couldn't cover his cost, then he's already on his way out of business if he has to rely on the next year model priced higher to recoup his cost from the year before. If $19 will put him out of business, that's not my fault.

And who said anything about cars? That's a poor example. But like all goods, prices are negotiable. He didn't want to, so he lost more than a sale.



Sorry, point me to the "LGS didn't lie but didn't care enough to even try to win a sale and customer" thread, Chief.

 

[PastorAaron]

First Post!

I'll bite.
Walked into a Gander Mountain in Green Bay looking to check out the feel of a Kimber Ultra. I own a few Kimbers, but never a carry size.
The guy in the gun section walked over and asked what I was looking for. I explained my curiosity with the ultras. He proceeds to spend 5 full minutes trying to talk me out of CCW in general. When he finally took a breath I picked up the gun, pointed it down, and dropped the slide uttering the line "this ain't my first barbecue". He was speechless.

How does an anti CCW person end up in gun sales?

Bought an LCR instead. An Ultra seemed a little gratuitous for a bug anyway.

 

[gathert]

Had a local guy today in a shop try to tell me that regular .22 bullets were more accurate at 100 yards than sub sonics. Its more of an outdoor shop anyway, so I wasn't expecting much when I went in there only looking for ammo.

 

[mgmorden]

LOL, apparently negotiating prices is a no-no now a days and what the FFL says is what goes. Right Mr FFL? Capitalism doesn't apply to the consumer too?

Take a more extreme example to see if it makes sense:

Lets say a dealer paid $100 for a Luger P08 many decades ago - for whatever reason nobody noticed in the display cases and it wasn't marked. A customer comes in and offers him $200 for it. Should he take it? After all, he'd be doubled his money right?

Of course he shouldn't make the sale. It doesn't make good business sense. Its below what the item could be sold for, and its below the replacement cost for the item.

Or consider the flip side: lets say during the Obama scare the guy paid $1500 for a generic AR-15. Thats long over. That rifle now goes for $600. Should he still try to charge $1700 because of what he paid for it, or should be price according to the replacement cost? Realistically he's going to have to price it based on what replacements cost.

Gas stations do the exact same thing. They don't set their prices by how much they paid for the item - they price their stock on how much it'll cost to get more. As a matter of face you'll see this done for virtually every business that works on maintaining sustained stock of items.

Not that I'm saying you were wrong to offer him a reduced price. I'm just saying that his response was completely reasonable.

 

[sugarmaker]

....Every time I found a collectible Winchester at a wily old dealer, there was "some guy from New York who was driving over to buy it at that very moment...but It's first come, first serve.."