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There will be an identical cut on the left side recoil shield.
The fourth screw (with a protruding screw head on both sides of the frame) serve to engage the "hooks" in the shoulder stock, and there will be a cutout on the bottom rear of the backstrap that also engages the shoulder stock.
For illustration, the one below is for an 1851 Navy and it also has the canteen built in to the hollow stock. Note the sling swivel in front of the trigger guard bow. The stock uses the thumbwheel to tighten it to the revolver. This is all Colt factory stuff.
If anyone is interested in repro, Pietta makes a non-canteen version for the Pietta 1851 Navy that could be used for a Pietta 1860 Army (even though the grip is longer). It comes with a replacement hammer screw that has two enlarged protruding heads. The pistol need not have the recoil shields cut. Listed in the Dixie Gun Works catalog:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/6617
Regards,
Jim
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This stock type:
… is also the type used on Remington repros and Colt 1873 repros:
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EK, that is one LOOONG barreled Colt! I am guessing at least 16". With the stock attached it would not run afoul of the BATF as a SBR (short-barreled-rifle).
Very nice!
Jim
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Here is one that has intrigued/baffled me since I first saw a photo of it in a book by Albaugh and Simmons (1957). Manufactured in NC several years prior to the ACW by Christopher Bechtler:
http://weaponsman.com/?p=35717
Bechtler was also a minter of his own gold coins.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/bechtler-n-carolina-georgia-1831-1850/1682
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Jim
http://weaponsman.com/?p=35717
Bechtler was also a minter of his own gold coins.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/bechtler-n-carolina-georgia-1831-1850/1682
Regards,
Jim
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Thanks for the post
Mr. Bechtler was a very talented smith. Some beautiful pistols.
Like this one and the others.....
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Had a chance to shoot my Trap Door one day last summer. We were having an unusual CAS match, we had some stages set up for our single shot rifles.
This was a Black Powder only match, and all the Trapdoors and Sharps and High Walls came out.
I had a blast, fully loaded BP 45-70 cartridges with 405 grain bullets.I surprised myself how many targets I was able to hit.
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Nice site....good stuff...
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Lee
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Thanks for the link, EK.
At first I was very excited to see an L. E. Tucker & Sons revolver up for bid, until I really started to look at it. Laban E. Tucker was making copies of Colt revolvers (primarily 1851 Navy .36 and some 1848 Dragoon .44 guns) in Marshall, Texas prior to the ACW. In the mid 1850's he moved to Lancaster, Texas and started a company with Joseph H. Sherrard and others which would be known as Tucker, Sherrard, and Company, and they produced primarily Dragoon .44 2nd Model "copies".
I have some problems (with the pistol you linked to) insofar as it being original.
#1.) The "L. E. Tucker & Sons" stamp on top of the barrel is too mechanical and modern to be produced by Tucker who handstamped that on his guns.
#2.) It is a .44 Dragoon copy with SB TG whereas the two verified specimens of L. E. Tucker & Sons (#52 and #79/72) are .36 Navy sized guns with a round TG.
#3.) The load aperture on the barrel lug is large with no bevel. T.S.& Co. revolvers had no load aperture while the 2 L.E.T. & Son. had large load apertures.
#4.) Every screw slot is undamaged.
#5.) I know it has a well-worn cylinder with the appropriate Texas markings, but...
#6.) The serial number is too high.
#7.) The rammer pivot screw enters from the right side.
#8.) A gun this rare would never have a starting bid of $1200!
IMO, this is a modern day defarbed Italian replica 1848 2nd Model Dragoon. It is just in too good of shape to not be.
As a comparison (and look at the 2016 sold price):
https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/2204-391/
This auction house would probably offer up anything that they thought would make them a buck or two.
I looked at all of the BP C&B revolvers they have listed and they really have no clue insofar as what they have.
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Jim - You are probably right.
It will be interesting to see what it goes for.
It will be interesting to see what it goes for.
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Ouch! 
".....The working condition of any item is not known therefore all property is being sold “AS IS”, and ALL SALES ARE FINAL. Property is open to thorough public inspection. It is the Bidder’s responsibility to determine condition, age, genuineness, value or any other determinative factor. Belcher Auction Company may attempt to describe the merchandise in advertising, on the Internet and at the auction but makes no representations. In no event shall Belcher Auction Company be held responsible for having made or implied any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. Bidder shall be the sole judge of value.
Bidders who bid from off site and are not present at the live auction or preview understand and acknowledge that they may not be able to inspect an item as well as if they examined it in person. It is the Bidder’s responsibility to determine condition, age, genuineness, value or any other determinative factor. Belcher Auction Company shall endeavor to describe in detail each item and any pertinent information about it.
Belcher Auction Company will not be responsible for any errors or omissions in the description of the merchandise. Bidder agrees that everything is sold as is and that they may not return any item they purchase. ....."
".....The working condition of any item is not known therefore all property is being sold “AS IS”, and ALL SALES ARE FINAL. Property is open to thorough public inspection. It is the Bidder’s responsibility to determine condition, age, genuineness, value or any other determinative factor. Belcher Auction Company may attempt to describe the merchandise in advertising, on the Internet and at the auction but makes no representations. In no event shall Belcher Auction Company be held responsible for having made or implied any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. Bidder shall be the sole judge of value.
Bidders who bid from off site and are not present at the live auction or preview understand and acknowledge that they may not be able to inspect an item as well as if they examined it in person. It is the Bidder’s responsibility to determine condition, age, genuineness, value or any other determinative factor. Belcher Auction Company shall endeavor to describe in detail each item and any pertinent information about it.
Belcher Auction Company will not be responsible for any errors or omissions in the description of the merchandise. Bidder agrees that everything is sold as is and that they may not return any item they purchase. ....."
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Both ASM and Uberti made Tucker replicas.
Here is the ASM:
And here is the Uberti:
Both were 2nd Dragoon styles.
Here is the ASM:
And here is the Uberti:
Both were 2nd Dragoon styles.
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Ephraim Kibbey
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The ASM bullet opening above looks symmetrical while the one in question seems unsymmetrical:
According to this site, the dragoons lacked an opening as per the Uberti repros:
http://www.littlegun.info/arme americaine/revolver confedere/a revolver confedere tucker gb.htm
Here is another Morphy Tucker offering:
https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/2206-391/
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Where the barrel lug meets the frame doesn't look or match up the same on the revolver up for auction compared to any of the "authentic" photos.
I wonder how the cylinder scene matches up?
There's a lot of possibilities.
Very informative, thanks for the links.
I wonder how the cylinder scene matches up?
There's a lot of possibilities.
Very informative, thanks for the links.
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You have just about made my argument. Only thing lacking is a pic of the L. E. & Sons stamping on the barrel lug.
I think it is a very well done defarb but not worth any where near $1200, no matter how much effort was put into it.
I think the auction site is taken in by what the owner says it is without any provenance.
Regards,
Jim
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Now that is the real deal! I dare any one to replicate the low hammer insofar as a fake! That is a very good collector gun. Not many were made.
Jim
Ephraim Kibbey
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The bolt holes on the Morphy real Tucker Dragoon are almost leadless while the Belcher offering has large leads similar to the repros.
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Colt pistol early experimental shoulder stocks for the 1851 Navy. There are more for the Dragoon, and the Navy, and the Army. OMN means 1851 Old Model Navy as opposed to the 1861 NMN.
Colt was into an experimental phase.
No one make replicas like that.
Regards,
Jim
Colt was into an experimental phase.
No one make replicas like that.
Regards,
Jim
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