When is a gun too hot?

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giddonah

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Shooting the other day I went through 100 rounds in maybe 45 minutes. I wasn't emptying clips as fast as I could, but I wasn't taking a long time before each shot either.

I wasn't too terribly concerned about how hot the gun (S&W M&P9c) was getting, but was wondering how hot it can get before I should stop and let it cool down.
 
Too hot is when you can see the bullets going down the barrel.

Gun barrels are treated and made to handle high heat. If you stopped when it was too hot for you to touch, wars, competition shooting, tactical training, hunting and backyard fun would be a helluva lot shorter.

Don't let yer pink booger hookers determine if your gun is too hot, they're a lot weaker than your gun barrel.
 
I like to bring a bucket of ice and water to throw my guns in when there to hot.... works great... ; )
 
when the barrel starts to sag! but seriously, IMO, if it is to hot to touch, you have already gotten it to hot. for me, when the barrel is warm enough that it is uncomfortable to wrap my hand around it, i stop, open the action, and let it cool off. to a lot of people, i am probably a whimp. but, i have to take good care of the equipment, i can not afford to replace it!
 
Gun barrels are treated and made to handle high heat.

Most gun barrels have no heat treatment.
Stainless barrels receive some treatment before boring and rifling to try and make sure the sulfur inclusions are small, but chrome moly is not normally treated at all.

For barrels the elastic nature is far more important than hardness.
 
With rifles...its a real problem. (still not as bad as its made out to be...except in precision long range equipment)

With "combat" handguns...run the heck out of them, you ain't gonna hurt them.
 
100 rounds in 45 minutes is nothing to worry about. 100 rounds in one or two minutes might heat it up a bit though.
 
I can't imagine high heat is good for the metal. Sure, it may not hurt it that day, but there must be a point where it's not good for the longevity of the gun and it's various moving parts.
 
Shooting the other day I went through 100 rounds in maybe 45 minutes.
At that rate it will get lukewarm, at most. ;) It might be interesting - some day - to measure the temperature at various points with an infrared thermometer. I believe American Handgunner magazine has done this during "torture tests."

Actually, I've found revolvers to get rather warm - almost uncomfortable to hold if you touch the cylinder or barrel directly - as well as retain the heat longer. Even this is in no way enough to cause changes in the metal.
 
Once at a .50 range in Germany, we became aware that there was a LOT of firing coming from one particular weapon, while the rest of us had paused. Found out later, an office monkey who had tagged along had linked about 400 rds, and tried to fire them continuously. When the 1sg confronted him to ask why he would do such a thing, he replied that the B-17 gunners used a lot more ammo than that and they were ok to do it. We explained to him, they did NOT EVER squeeze off that many rounds without pause, and they had air-cooled barrels on their guns. We took off the barrel, (With mits, of course,) and when it finally cooled off, it had turned blue. I'm not enough of an expert to know what the exact terms for this condition, but we knew that we weren't going to use it anymore. We turned it in, lots of paperwork.

An old marine I grew up with told me that in Korea facing the Chinese, once he fired the .50 on his Sherman until the barrel glowed in the night, and then suddenly, the rifling shot out the end. He said he used the mit, tossed the old barrel, screwed a new one in all the way, backed it off two clicks, and kept on firing.
 
Handguns, dunno.

Rifles? back when 7.62x39 was dirt cheap we put 1000 rounds through a MAK90 as fast as a dozen 30 rounders, a 100 round drum and 2 loaders could keep it operating. Much too hot to hold the handguard but never skipped a beat. It was in perfect shape after it cooled off and has worked perfectly ever since.
 
jjk308 said:
Rifles? back when 7.62x39 was dirt cheap we put 1000 rounds through a MAK90 as fast as a dozen 30 rounders, a 100 round drum and 2 loaders could keep it operating. Much too hot to hold the handguard but never skipped a beat. It was in perfect shape after it cooled off and has worked perfectly ever since.

Since you didn't get your handguards to burst into flames, you don't get the AK badge of honor! :D :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAohtjG14c
 
I've found my centerfire semi auto's heat up pretty quick. I usually only shoot a magazine or two in any rifle before I switch to another, so that keeps the heat down. I also have to factor in that usually the rifles are sitting in the sun for long periods of time, which will heat up any black surfaces.
I have one polymer handgun, which I've never noticed heating up. My Sig P6 has, I believe, an aluminum frame, and that definitely gets warm after about 10 magazines. Not too hot to touch, but borderline uncomfortable.
 
I usually run about 60 rounds out of my XD-40 in about 10 minutes, it doesn't seem to get all that hot. However, my dad's Browning A-Bolt 30-06, after 8 rounds, that thing is too hot to touch.
 
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