ZX10Aviator
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Ill vote another for the savage stevens 200, mine is in .223, and first time out one of my loads put 3 in under 1/4" (all holes touching). Pretty dang good for a $269 rifle!
Which rifle(s) have the best accuracy/moa for the money (modded/unmodded)?
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I prefer Remington 700, Savage with Accu trigger and Ruger in that order. Although, all have there pros and cons. If you reload you can get sub M.O.A. with a little time at the reloading bench and at the range. If I were to do anything as far as modification the first thing I would do is a trigger job/ a new trigger. Shillian and Jewel come to mind. If you want extreme accuracy your going to have to pay for it. Another reason I prefer the Remington 700 is they have a good action right out of the box. Further down the road if you wanted to upgrade, you can build a wicked rig on the same action by getting the action blue printed.
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You can see from the replies that a lot of different makes are providing shooters with good to excellent accuracy. I agree with the posting about buying the best you can get, even if it means saving more money.
I bought a Weatherby Mark V Weathermark (lowest priced model in the line at that time) 16 years ago when I found a good deal on it at my local gun shop. I later restocked it into an H.S. Precision "Weatherby style" stock. It now wears a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x scope and shoots its 7mm Weatherby rounds with consistent accuracy of 1 inch or better at 100 yards.
I have a lot of money in it. I don't regret it.
I bought a Weatherby Mark V Weathermark (lowest priced model in the line at that time) 16 years ago when I found a good deal on it at my local gun shop. I later restocked it into an H.S. Precision "Weatherby style" stock. It now wears a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x scope and shoots its 7mm Weatherby rounds with consistent accuracy of 1 inch or better at 100 yards.
I have a lot of money in it. I don't regret it.
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gvnwst,
I stated:
gvnwst replied:
Yes, I'm serious. It depends what the OP is looking for. Check out all the 10/22 stuff you can get:
http://images.google.com/images?q=Ruger%2010%2F22&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIK&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
If the OP wants to spend big bucks from the beginning, then he can get accuracy right out of the box with a centerfire rifle. Is he ready to spend at least $600 for a rifle (which may need a trigger job and action bedding) plus another $600 for a decent scope, or does he want to buy something he can shoot now for little money and change it down the road?
Yes, I'm as serious as a heart attack.
May I also add that I am a FIRM BELIEVER in YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! Buy cheap junk and you will most likely have nothing but headaches until you finally spend some $$$ and buy into something that will last a lifetime (and then some).
I don't know what the OP's price range is, nor do I know for what he plans to shoot with this new gun.
I stated:
gvnwst replied:
Yes, I'm serious. It depends what the OP is looking for. Check out all the 10/22 stuff you can get:
http://images.google.com/images?q=Ruger%2010%2F22&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIK&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
If the OP wants to spend big bucks from the beginning, then he can get accuracy right out of the box with a centerfire rifle. Is he ready to spend at least $600 for a rifle (which may need a trigger job and action bedding) plus another $600 for a decent scope, or does he want to buy something he can shoot now for little money and change it down the road?
Yes, I'm as serious as a heart attack.
May I also add that I am a FIRM BELIEVER in YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! Buy cheap junk and you will most likely have nothing but headaches until you finally spend some $$$ and buy into something that will last a lifetime (and then some).
I don't know what the OP's price range is, nor do I know for what he plans to shoot with this new gun.
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gvnwst stated:
OK, I'm in agreement with you that the accuracy is possible (probable).
How much $$$ are we talking for the gun, precision action, Broughton barrel, a good stock, etc. to which you are referring?
Don't forget to add $$$ for a high quality scope!
What's the FINAL GRAND TOTAL for this little piece?
OK, I'm in agreement with you that the accuracy is possible (probable).
How much $$$ are we talking for the gun, precision action, Broughton barrel, a good stock, etc. to which you are referring?
Don't forget to add $$$ for a high quality scope!
What's the FINAL GRAND TOTAL for this little piece?
wyohome
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Remington's Model 788 was a one time the best rifle for under $100, I have owned 3 (2 in .243 and 1 in .308). I still use one in .308 because it will shoot better than I can.
gvnwst
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Inspector--The OP never stated a price range, i was simply meaning that, YES, A 10/22 CAN BE ACCURATE, modded, but if you mod a savage similarly, it will still beat the 10/22. This is totally price exclusive.
Okay, lets see here. Call it $1300 for the parts, that is the higher side, and whatever the scope and work would cost. Well, i don't know of any Mcmillan stocks that fit the savage action, but i haven't checked lately. A good stock runs, lets say $450. (mcmillan f-class for a 700) The barrel, $400. (anyone know what gunsmiths normally charge for chamber reaming?) MSRP on the savage action (which comes with a trigger) is $500. Hey, that is all you need, i came in inside the budget. Choose whatever scope you want.
Sorry if there was any confusion.
Okay, lets see here. Call it $1300 for the parts, that is the higher side, and whatever the scope and work would cost. Well, i don't know of any Mcmillan stocks that fit the savage action, but i haven't checked lately. A good stock runs, lets say $450. (mcmillan f-class for a 700) The barrel, $400. (anyone know what gunsmiths normally charge for chamber reaming?) MSRP on the savage action (which comes with a trigger) is $500. Hey, that is all you need, i came in inside the budget.
Choose whatever scope you want. Sorry if there was any confusion.
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Factory- Probably my Howa .270 or Tika T3 .308
Mod - My custom "Sow's Ear" Turk Mauser .308 (completely worked over, heavy krieger Barrel, Houge stock, Timney trigger, Tubb firing pin, Burris Signature Select Scope) shoots as good as the person shooting it, Also cost at least 2x or more than either one of the before mentioned factory rifles. (But it sure is fun to shoot against the guys that swear u can't build an accurate Turk!)
Mod - My custom "Sow's Ear" Turk Mauser .308 (completely worked over, heavy krieger Barrel, Houge stock, Timney trigger, Tubb firing pin, Burris Signature Select Scope) shoots as good as the person shooting it, Also cost at least 2x or more than either one of the before mentioned factory rifles. (But it sure is fun to shoot against the guys that swear u can't build an accurate Turk!)
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I have a total of $410 into the top rifle including the scope and mount.
H&R M12. Single shot bolt action .22rimfire.
http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm
They are out of stock, but I've seen these on the market. Trigger adjustable to less than one pound. Certainly worthy of some competition. As it sits, right at 13.5 pounds.
With target ammo. 75yds.
A target last summer..
I have to reply to the posts degrading a Ruger 10-22 for best bang for the buck and most potential accuracy for the buck. A 10-22 with a Green Mountain barrel with an after market stock and a few trigger adjustments will print very acceptable groups and you can sell the factory barrel and stock to offset the upgrades. I just saw one in a pawn shop, (a perfect candidate instead of a new one), for a little more than $100. That makes an extremely good shooting, very attractive, fun plinker for less than $400 fully equiped if you do a little research before spending too much money. Go to Rimfire Central dot com and there are plenty of shooters that love their tricked out little 10-22. In my book the best 'Fun' rifle, that you can learn a little 'gun smithing' on, that there is a plethora of aftermarket support for, that doesn't break the bank.
There's a post above regarding Marlin's new XL7. Out of the box accuracy seems to be regarded very highly. It hasn't been on the market long enough to be compared to a Savage, and is not a competition riflle at all. I've just bought one in .270win for my son. I hope to provide a range report soon. $325 out the door.
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H&R M12. Single shot bolt action .22rimfire.
http://www.thecmp.org/22targetsurplus.htm
They are out of stock, but I've seen these on the market. Trigger adjustable to less than one pound. Certainly worthy of some competition. As it sits, right at 13.5 pounds.
With target ammo. 75yds.
A target last summer..
I have to reply to the posts degrading a Ruger 10-22 for best bang for the buck and most potential accuracy for the buck. A 10-22 with a Green Mountain barrel with an after market stock and a few trigger adjustments will print very acceptable groups and you can sell the factory barrel and stock to offset the upgrades. I just saw one in a pawn shop, (a perfect candidate instead of a new one), for a little more than $100. That makes an extremely good shooting, very attractive, fun plinker for less than $400 fully equiped if you do a little research before spending too much money. Go to Rimfire Central dot com and there are plenty of shooters that love their tricked out little 10-22. In my book the best 'Fun' rifle, that you can learn a little 'gun smithing' on, that there is a plethora of aftermarket support for, that doesn't break the bank.
There's a post above regarding Marlin's new XL7. Out of the box accuracy seems to be regarded very highly. It hasn't been on the market long enough to be compared to a Savage, and is not a competition riflle at all. I've just bought one in .270win for my son. I hope to provide a range report soon. $325 out the door.
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Value per dollar?
The Savage probably holds that. I've heard lots of stuff but never handled one myself.
It's a shame that Remingtons have gone up in price. I bought my Sendero in 300 WM new for $580. It's by far the most accurate and consistant rifle I own.
Her's some enlarged pics of the groups. Take note that this is a 1/4" grid (smaller than the caliber). 5 shot groups at 100 yds.
Everybody's gotta have a "hero" group. Here's a 3 shot 100 yard group from the same rifle.
Three separate loads using 190 SMKs over different powders.
The Savage probably holds that. I've heard lots of stuff but never handled one myself.
It's a shame that Remingtons have gone up in price. I bought my Sendero in 300 WM new for $580. It's by far the most accurate and consistant rifle I own.
Her's some enlarged pics of the groups. Take note that this is a 1/4" grid (smaller than the caliber). 5 shot groups at 100 yds.
Everybody's gotta have a "hero" group. Here's a 3 shot 100 yard group from the same rifle.
Three separate loads using 190 SMKs over different powders.
garyhan
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I would vote for the Tikka, though Savage is close. I've never tried the Weatherby Vanguard which might be as good.
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One needs to remember that every rifle shoots differently. Three identical rifles with three consecutive serial numbers that are the exact same model will most likely all shoot differently.
They will most likely even "like" different ammo. What one rifle pulls a 3/4" group at 100 yards with a certain ammo, the other two rifles may not shoot that ammo well at all. And, the ammo those two rifles seem to like with very tight 100 yard groups will most likely be different for each and different than the first rifle.
Two of the rifles may not need any work at all to accurize while one of them might need to be glass-bedded and a trigger job done.
So, to say that such-and-such a rifle shoots well right out of the box does not really mean anything, unless the rifle is actually GUARANTEED to shoot, say, at maximum a 1/2" group at 100 yards (in which case, I would want to see the target, I would want to know what scope they used and I would especially want to know EXACTLY what ammo they used to pull that 1/2" group)!
They will most likely even "like" different ammo. What one rifle pulls a 3/4" group at 100 yards with a certain ammo, the other two rifles may not shoot that ammo well at all. And, the ammo those two rifles seem to like with very tight 100 yard groups will most likely be different for each and different than the first rifle.
Two of the rifles may not need any work at all to accurize while one of them might need to be glass-bedded and a trigger job done.
So, to say that such-and-such a rifle shoots well right out of the box does not really mean anything, unless the rifle is actually GUARANTEED to shoot, say, at maximum a 1/2" group at 100 yards (in which case, I would want to see the target, I would want to know what scope they used and I would especially want to know EXACTLY what ammo they used to pull that 1/2" group)!
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