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GunnyUSMC
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His problem was not the gun or holster, it was his finger on the trigger.You do know what kind of gun (and holster) he was using, right?
When most people do something stupid they find something or someone else to blame.
I qualify every year with about 25 other officers. Some of those officers know very little about guns. We all draw from the holster. In the last 17 years That we have been using Glocks, no one has shot them self. And in those 17 years, with over 650 officers carrying Glocks, only one shot him self while getting in his vehicle. There was an investigation and it was found that his gun was so filthy that it interfered with the safety.
Why is it called Glock leg. Because Taurus, Springfield, Colt, Beretta and Sig leg didn’t sound as cool.
But this topic has pretty much gone off track and it seems like more non Glock people are posting about why Glocks are not that great.
So to get back on topic.
Look at all the police departments that have issued guns other then Glocks over the years. Most of those departments don’t stay with the same brand gun far all that long. But most of the ones that have gone to Glock have stayed with Glock.
My department went from S&W to Glocks 17 years ago starting with the Gen3. They upgraded to the Gen4 and will be going to the Gen5 as soon as funds are available.
The reason we didn’t go with Glocks earlier is that the guy that was over the range and had the most say so in what we carried was a Glock Hater.
No matter if you like Glocks are not, they are one of the most popular handguns in the world.
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Carried away? I bought a like new police surplus G22 Gen4 for a bargain price. I was able to order four new OEM mags for $18 apiece. I know price is no object to you, but that’s a big deal for me. I expect they will still be working long after I’m dust.
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I think we are really going off track fast. Now back into government/Municipal bids etc and all the normal Glock rhetoric. Should know better by now never to comment. My Bad.
One last thing amd654, I am happy you got yourself a nice gun and saved so money. But please do not make comments like you know me, because you do not.
One last thing amd654, I am happy you got yourself a nice gun and saved so money. But please do not make comments like you know me, because you do not.
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Does anybody think that gun in the video discharged itself? Is it the gun’s fault he had his finger in the trigger guard before it cleared the holster?
It’s like those product liability suits, if the gun went off when you pulled the trigger, obviously it is not a defective product.
It’s like those product liability suits, if the gun went off when you pulled the trigger, obviously it is not a defective product.
I can tell you that my wife recently went to the 380EZ because her G19 was getting to hard for her arthritic hands to manipulate. So while you dont see it. It is a valid point.
No clue on the actual #, quite a few though, and I own at least one. (Kriss Vector) That was the singular reason I purchased it for the cross compatibility w/my Glocks. The magazines are the best thing about Glock IMO.
Speedo66
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So you bought the Glocks just so you can use the mags? lol
Not quite... I owned 5 Glocks before looking for a PCC that accepted Glock mags.
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I was the opposite, bought a PCC that used Glock mags first knowing that I was going to get a Glock in the future. The 30 rd extended Glock mags were a big selling point too and now companies that aren't Glock are making Glock mags on the cheap and the mags work well. There may be 30 rd mags for M&Ps, Berettas, etc. but IDK how reliable they are compared to the Glock mags.
The popularity of the Glock mags is definitely a factor tho. I'm heavily looking at the Mossberg MC1, not just for the cross bolt safety, but also the Glock mags compatibility as 9 and 12 rd G43 mags are made by ETS. When you can get such mags and use them in a gun that small, what's the point of the 43X?
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No I certainly don’t know you. All I know I know you by is what you wrote...and what you wrote indicated mag cost isn’t a big deal to you. It is to me. I passed on an HK USP a couple years ago when I found out how much mags cost.
But it’s not just mags...it’s everything. Whatever part I might need or desire is easily available.
Plus, the Glock can be easily detail stripped down to its smallest part using nothing more than a Bic pen refill. The closest to that is the 1911, which is also easy to detail strip. However, Glock parts drop in...1911 parts usually need fitting.
Another benefit of buying a popular pistol in long use like the Glock, holsters. Five minutes on eBay, and I had a like new Safariland ALS that sells for $100+...for $20.
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Lol, What ever you say, and I will not buy a gun simply because the mags are cheap. I do buy guns with high quality magazines that function 100%. But more importantly, I buy because IMO the guns I buy are great quality, I like their performance , I like how they feel in my hand, the recoil management and on and on. But NEVER because I can get cheap magazines. I will spend more money on Mags for a particular gun if I feel the gun is precisely what I want. And I am truly sorry if that does not suite you.
That said, I do agree with the poster who mentioned the Mossberg CP1 which I shot and liked much.More so than the Glocks I have shot over the years and which was for me, much more accurate right out of the box. And the fact that it did take cheap magazines is nice for training.PLUS since you are into saving money, the Mossberg cost less which is a great deal.
I am delighted you like your Glock Trade in and the mags you were able to save on. I wish you the best of luck with shooting. So God Bless you my friend.
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No doubt. My point was, it was being alluded to that it happened with a Glock, when in fact, it was a 1911.
The Serpa holsters have the rep they do for a reason too.
But youre right, the main reason for the problem, was user error, and no fault of the gun, or holster.
They are, and Im sure it just annoys those that dont like them, even more.
Not to get off track here, but the Serpas, while they can work if used properly, just add to the safety thing, when, like a Glock, you give them to people who probably shouldnt have a gun in their hands at all.
It always amazes me how people can go out and buy things, and not take the time to get familiar with them, and learn how to use them properly. I think there are way too many cases, where the inanimate object is the smarter half of the equation. Of course its at fault, when the dumber half screws up.
I wouldnt either, but the fact they are, is a big plus, especially if youre using them hard in practice, and mags tend to get abused.
Another plus with Glocks is, the mags of the full size or larger guns, will fit all the models below them in the family.
My 17 mags fit every 9mm Glock I have, and I usually use them for my reload, no matter which model I might be carrying.
I use the same lot of 20 Korean 17 mags (half the price of factory mags too) for practice each week, and they get used for whatever Im shooting when I go. I load them all before I go, so I dont have to bother at the range. Been using them on a weekly basis for about 10 years now, and they have been used hard, and Ive yet to have to throw one out. Pretty good deal for a $5-10 mag.
If I was to do the same thing with my old P226's or 229's, etc, the difference in price between those 20 Korean mags and say 20 SIG P226 mags, is about $540. Its not a trivial thing.
But, if you only have one gun, and only use the one or two mags that came with it, the cost of mags might not seem to be an issue.
I was about to write the same list with the exact same pro’s/cons on there. It appears you beat me to it.
Besides the fact that they work, that they sell inexpensive mags and accessories for them as well as platform commonality add in the Glock Blue Label program for LE, Fire, EMS, Military and Corrections.
Besides the reasons above most of the guys I work all have at least one Glock because of that program. It makes them substantially less expensive than the competition. Some of them are gun guys, but a lot of them aren’t. All the cops at our department carry them too. I haven’t seen anything else in police holsters for years.
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"Edited to add: the trigger bar is incapable of dropping low enough to allow striker disengagement when in its forward position.
But, my testing with five primed cases (Winchester Small Pistol primers) with the trigger bar engaged with the striker lug and back far enough to force disengagement of the tri.....
JTQ, when I read the stuff in your link, I wanted to reply, “Bull Crap”. But since I have never tested it for myself, I decided not to reply until I had a chance to test it out for myself. Now that I have, Bull Crap!
When I read the stuff in your link, I thought their methodology was very hinky. So, this morning I pulled out the trusty G17, installed the half backing plate and measured from the back of the striker to the backing plate with the striker set as if the gun was loaded and ready to fire. Armed with this bit of knowledge I set up the slide upside down clamped to the workbench. Striker block out, primed case in. I pulled the striker back to where it sets when ready to fire and released it. I wasn’t sure if it was going to go bang or not. A bit of a pucker moment. No bang. Ten times in all. No bang. Not even any dimples on the primer. If it matters an S&B primer.
The G17 needed a good detail cleaning anyway. And knowledge is a good thing.
But, my testing with five primed cases (Winchester Small Pistol primers) with the trigger bar engaged with the striker lug and back far enough to force disengagement of the tri.....
JTQ, when I read the stuff in your link, I wanted to reply, “Bull Crap”. But since I have never tested it for myself, I decided not to reply until I had a chance to test it out for myself. Now that I have, Bull Crap!
When I read the stuff in your link, I thought their methodology was very hinky. So, this morning I pulled out the trusty G17, installed the half backing plate and measured from the back of the striker to the backing plate with the striker set as if the gun was loaded and ready to fire. Armed with this bit of knowledge I set up the slide upside down clamped to the workbench. Striker block out, primed case in. I pulled the striker back to where it sets when ready to fire and released it. I wasn’t sure if it was going to go bang or not. A bit of a pucker moment. No bang. Ten times in all. No bang. Not even any dimples on the primer. If it matters an S&B primer.
The G17 needed a good detail cleaning anyway. And knowledge is a good thing.
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"I can't remember seeing a 'bad' factory trigger in anything commercially current, or in the even distant past either, for that matter."
I've apparently owned some much lower-quality handguns! I've ended up getting rid of several handguns that had triggers that were too stiff for me. The worst was an old Russian Nagant revolver. Even the single action trigger was pretty bad. The double action trigger was absurd.
I've apparently owned some much lower-quality handguns! I've ended up getting rid of several handguns that had triggers that were too stiff for me. The worst was an old Russian Nagant revolver. Even the single action trigger was pretty bad. The double action trigger was absurd.
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Ive had a couple of old military surplus guns that had horrible DA triggers. My one CZ70 required two fingers to pull the trigger in DA. Its SA trigger was fine. But guns like that are the exception rather than the rule, and are in a separate, more or less limited class.
But when it comes to "current" commercial guns of good quality and well-known make, I cant ever remember one that had a trigger that made shooting the gun a problem.
Yet, the aftermarket trigger and parts sellers, have had a good marketing thing going on for a long time now, and have convinced those who are looking for a way to "buy skill" to think they have.
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I’ve always said, “If one can shoot a Glock well”, I would wholeheartedly tell them to stick with Glock for many good reasons:
1. Reliability
2. They don’t chase fads or novelties, just steady progress and minor improvements over time
3. Simple design
4. Lightweight
5. High capacity for size and weight
6. Garage workbench, with minimal tools can keep it running in perpetuity
7. Low bore axis
8. Easy to obtain parts that are very affordable
9. Cheap magazines that are very well built and cross compatible with other platforms
10. Good second hand market for used police turn ins
Like I said if one can shoot a Glock well and isn’t infatuated with looks the Glock is the best tool, given the current state of the marketplace with the above reasons in mind.
Now if you can’t shoot Glocks well or you want a tool that looks a certain way then more power to you. But I’m becoming more and more pragmatic and the Glock platform has too many positives to not embrace. And I shoot them well.
1. Reliability
2. They don’t chase fads or novelties, just steady progress and minor improvements over time
3. Simple design
4. Lightweight
5. High capacity for size and weight
6. Garage workbench, with minimal tools can keep it running in perpetuity
7. Low bore axis
8. Easy to obtain parts that are very affordable
9. Cheap magazines that are very well built and cross compatible with other platforms
10. Good second hand market for used police turn ins
Like I said if one can shoot a Glock well and isn’t infatuated with looks the Glock is the best tool, given the current state of the marketplace with the above reasons in mind.
Now if you can’t shoot Glocks well or you want a tool that looks a certain way then more power to you. But I’m becoming more and more pragmatic and the Glock platform has too many positives to not embrace. And I shoot them well.
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You do know what kind of gun (and holster) he was using, right?
I do know that it was a 1911, which is why I posted it. My point was that Glock NDs are not caused by a flawed design, but by people not following simple gun handling rules.
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My brother is a Detective in a smaller county who has carried a Sig his entire career of 15 years. The prior sheriff was a gun guy who hated Glocks and loved Sigs and high-end 1911s. So, department issue weapons were the P220 for patrol and P229 in .357 Sig for Detectives.
Last year, they got a new sheriff after the old one retired who happened to like Glocks and saving money, so he replaced all of the Sigs with new Gen 5 G17s for Deputies and G19s for Detectives.
My brother was upset. He didn't like Glocks. Then he took his new G19 to the range to qualify and shot his highest score ever. Now he loves Glocks, lol.
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Its amazing how that works. Isnt it?
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I got my Glock for the simple reason that I'd always wanted one just to say I had and one of the salesmen pointed to a barely-used Gen1 on the used rack for less than half of a new model. It's still bone stock, although I've got a set of Firesights I've been procrastinating installing. Trigger is just fine the way it is for me, and I have carried it concealed with no issues (I'm a big framed guy). Oh, and I got one of those grip plugs with the punches to disassemble it.
Don't consider myself a fanboy in the least, no hats or other tsotchkes because I don't advertise for free or worse, paying for the privilege. It's a good, simple and straightforward pistol that fits me well and is easy to shoot.
Don't consider myself a fanboy in the least, no hats or other tsotchkes because I don't advertise for free or worse, paying for the privilege. It's a good, simple and straightforward pistol that fits me well and is easy to shoot.
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I also have a Glock 17 Gen.1 and have had it for over 30 years. It is the only Glock I own. I bought it mainly because I was interested in the then new polymer technology and that the gun itself was very reliable, durable, and easy to use. Never have cared for it's ergonomics or it's overall fit and finish but the gun has been a solid, dependable performer for many years now without a single problem to report.
I also have a Glock 17 Gen.1 and have had it for over 30 years. It is the only Glock I own. I bought it mainly because I was interested in the then new polymer technology and that the gun itself was very reliable, durable, and easy to use. Never have cared for it's ergonomics or it's overall fit and finish but the gun has been a solid, dependable performer for many years now without a single problem to report.
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"My one CZ70 required two fingers to pull the trigger in DA."
LoL! Mine too. That's one of the reasons I traded it towards something else.
Of newer commercial pistols, the trigger on my cheap 40 caliber S&W was pretty bad. It was called an SWVE40, or something like that.
LoL! Mine too. That's one of the reasons I traded it towards something else.
Of newer commercial pistols, the trigger on my cheap 40 caliber S&W was pretty bad. It was called an SWVE40, or something like that.
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